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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2015, 06:40:46 PM »
Here you go. It appears that the alert was requested 4th may. The timing goes from bottom up.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

Then we need to get back on topic please.

Processos Vol II
Page 516

FAX

Date: 8th May 2007

VERY URGENT


To: The Director of the National Interpol Office

From: DIC Portimao, PJ

Subject: YELLOW ALERT
Missing Person: Madeleine Beth McCann

We request a YELLOW ALERT for the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann, whose complete identification is attached.

The diffusion of the yellow alert is requested according to the dispatch from the Prosecutor of the Comarca Court in Lagos, Sandra Marques, which is also enclosed.

With best compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation.

G. Amaral


Processos Vol II
Page 487

Emails

From: DIC Portimao
Date: 7th May 2007
To: Ana Filipa Luz
Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann DOB 12-05-2003

From: National Interpol Office
Date: 7th May 2007
To: DIC Portimao
Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann DOB 12-05-2003


Original message
From: Ana Pires Amaral
Sent on 4th May 2007 17.51
To: National Interpol Office
Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann DOB 12-05-2003


The National Interpol Office is going to proceed to international release of information. We remind you of the need for insertion into the SIS which should be requested from the SIRENE office.

Compliments

Ana Mafalda Duarte


Original message
From: National Interpol Office
Sent: 4th May 2007. 11:05
To: AnaMafalda Pires Amaral
Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann DOB 12-05-2003
Importance: High


Original message
From DIC Portimao
Sent: 4th May 2007 10:38
To: National Interpol Office
C.C. Tavares de Almeida
Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann DOB 12-05-2003
Importance: High


For having disappeared on 03-05-2007 at about 22.40 from the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz diffusion via Internet and OPC at international level is requested. Forms are attached with a photo and description of the missing girl.

For more information contact Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, Chief Inspector Jorge Reis or DIC Portimao

With compliments


(Page 488 is a copy of this page)


ETA Link

Thanks Anna. So nominally within 12 hours of the disappearance a yellow alert had been applied for. In terms of the protocol is that good bad or indifferent? or do we not know.
Reading the responses there are implied hoops to be jumped through before the yellow alert is authorised by the local Interpol office so in practical terms would a delay in the O.C calling the police by up to 30 minutes have made a significant difference? Bearing in mind a well organised gang (were there such) could be down the coast by motor to east of Tavira and up the Guardiana river by motor boat in to Spain in less than 2 hours? When did the GNR call the PJ?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2015, 08:08:41 PM »
Thanks Anna. So nominally within 12 hours of the disappearance a yellow alert had been applied for. In terms of the protocol is that good bad or indifferent? or do we not know.
Reading the responses there are implied hoops to be jumped through before the yellow alert is authorised by the local Interpol office so in practical terms would a delay in the O.C calling the police by up to 30 minutes have made a significant difference? Bearing in mind a well organised gang (were there such) could be down the coast by motor to east of Tavira and up the Guardiana river by motor boat in to Spain in less than 2 hours? When did the GNR call the PJ?

I wonder if the OC workers knew that it would be a slow process and this is why no one was in a hurry to phone?

The GNR did not call the police from OC until sometime after midnight.
Too late to be of any help in stopping an abductor, if that was the case.
The first to arrive were forensics around 1am ish. I don't know what time any others arrived.

The police notified Interpol at that time on 4th may, but the co-ordinator was requesting a yellow alert Urgently on 8th may.

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2015, 10:34:36 PM »
I wonder if the OC workers knew that it would be a slow process and this is why no one was in a hurry to phone?

The GNR did not call the police from OC until sometime after midnight.
Too late to be of any help in stopping an abductor, if that was the case.
The first to arrive were forensics around 1am ish. I don't know what time any others arrived.

The police notified Interpol at that time on 4th may, but the co-ordinator was requesting a yellow alert Urgently on 8th may.

The coordinator having notified the local Interpol office on 4th May was then in their hands and could not influence events other than by chasing them up which he appears to have done. Short of closing borders himself there was little else he could do frustrating though it may have been to all concerned. So the crux of the matter where the coordinator is concerned is "did he make the application to the appropriate office within the timescale demanded by the protocol?" And the matter for O.C (repeating myself) is "did it make any difference in this particular instance?". Delay in phoning the police may have been slapdash on the part of all concerned but did it influence the net result in any deleterious manner? As there is no evidence of what happened to MM that would be a difficult call.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2015, 01:33:15 AM »
The coordinator having notified the local Interpol office on 4th May was then in their hands and could not influence events other than by chasing them up which he appears to have done. Short of closing borders himself there was little else he could do frustrating though it may have been to all concerned. So the crux of the matter where the coordinator is concerned is "did he make the application to the appropriate office within the timescale demanded by the protocol?" And the matter for O.C (repeating myself) is "did it make any difference in this particular instance?". Delay in phoning the police may have been slapdash on the part of all concerned but did it influence the net result in any deleterious manner? As there is no evidence of what happened to MM that would be a difficult call.

I will answer this Alice, but it is now OFF topic.
----------------------------------------------------

G Amaral, was instructed by Sandra Marques,on 7th May, to request a Yellow Alert and send the information and description of Madeleine to the Interpol Office, which he done on the 8th may.

The yellow alert was not requested before this time, but please check it yourself, I may be wrong.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm

Processos Vol II
Page 518

From the Lagos Court


Report via Fax to PJ Portimao of the interpreters indicated above with address and phone number.

Summon them by the quickest means for their statement of compromise.

Ask the PJ to provide via Fax the names, addresses, phone numbers of the interpreters mentioned on the previous page.

Afterwards contact them for their statement of compromise in this Court within a maximum delay of 46 hours, according to article 91, number 2 of the CPP:

The present case files begin with the news of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, born on 12-05-2003, female sex, white daughter of Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Marie Healy.

The disappearance occurred on 03-05-2007 from a ground floor apartment of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz between 21.30 and 22.00.

As it is relevant to discovering the whereabouts of the child, I authorise and request the GNI to divulge the identification of the girl in order to establish her whereabouts, this should be done by means of a yellow alert.

Please copy this communication to the PJ.

Organise the translation of these files.

Make a copy of the present files, with a copy of everything that has been processed, as quickly as possible and deliver it to the hand of the Public Prosecutor.

7/5/2007 (17 hours)


Signed

Sandra Marques





516
FAX



Date: 8th May 2007

VERY URGENT


To: The Director of the National Interpol Office

From: DIC Portimao, PJ

Subject: YELLOW ALERT
Missing Person: Madeleine Beth McCann

We request a YELLOW ALERT for the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann, whose complete identification is attached.

The diffusion of the yellow alert is requested according to the dispatch from the Prosecutor of the Comarca Court in Lagos, Sandra Marques, which is also enclosed.

With best compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation.

G. Amaral

Processos Vol II
Page 517

Name: Madeleine Beth McCann

Date of Birth: 12 May 2003

Sex: Female

Passport: UK

Unchangeable characteristic: White

Nationality: United Kingdom

Daughter of: Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy

Date and time of disappearance: 03-05-2007 at about 22.40 from the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

Physical description (at the time of disappearance):

Height: 90 cm.

Hair: Light chestnut, blond.

Weight:

Eyes: blue green eyes with tones of brown in the retina.

Teeth:

Particular markings:

Clothing (on the date of the disappearance):

Presumed causes for disappearance: Disappeared from the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Lagos where she was on holiday with her parents. The disappearance occurred at a time when the girl was alone in the apartment.

Any information should be communicated to the following address:

DIC Portimao
Rua Pe da Cruz 2, Portimao
Telephone: 282 405 400

Email: dic.portimao@pj.pt

Or any PJ police station.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELINE.htm






“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2015, 02:34:07 AM »
I wonder if the OC workers knew that it would be a slow process and this is why no one was in a hurry to phone?



No one knows for a fact when any request was made to phone, so how can you say staff were not in a hurry to do so? If a request is made to urgently ring the police becausd a child is missing, and the parents know it is an abduction, do you really think people would just shrug their shoulders and just leave it?


Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2015, 03:03:58 AM »
No one knows for a fact when any request was made to phone, so how can you say staff were not in a hurry to do so? If a request is made to urgently ring the police becausd a child is missing, and the parents know it is an abduction, do you really think people would just shrug their shoulders and just leave it?

In fantasy Luz land anything is possible and their mobiles were out of action until after 11pm that night. Tanner can walk straight past people without being seen in a street full of lights. I want to see Dynamo do it in his next series  8(>((
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2015, 03:11:34 AM »
In fantasy Luz land anything is possible and their mobiles were out of action until after 11pm that night. Tanner can walk straight past people without being seen in a street full of lights. I want to see Dynamo do it in his next series  8(>((

You're not wrong there, so sad for a poor little 3 year old...shameless people, those who lie

Tara for now, got to dash

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2015, 12:29:50 PM »
The coordinator having notified the local Interpol office on 4th May was then in their hands and could not influence events other than by chasing them up which he appears to have done. Short of closing borders himself there was little else he could do frustrating though it may have been to all concerned. So the crux of the matter where the coordinator is concerned is "did he make the application to the appropriate office within the timescale demanded by the protocol?" And the matter for O.C (repeating myself) is "did it make any difference in this particular instance?". Delay in phoning the police may have been slapdash on the part of all concerned but did it influence the net result in any deleterious manner? As there is no evidence of what happened to MM that would be a difficult call.

Alice, don't you read the papers and listen to Team McCANNS Broadcasts? The coordinator was 'munching sardines' and  drinking all the time whilst talking to reporters from the press and 'doing nothing' to find little Maddie.

But I do agree with this:  quote "Delay in phoning the police may have been slapdash on the part of all concerned but did it influence the net result in any deleterious manner? As there is no evidence of what happened to MM that would be a difficult call" unquote.

I also mentioned there is no definite time to tie in with Maddies disappearance.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2015, 12:35:41 PM »
No one knows for a fact when any request was made to phone, so how can you say staff were not in a hurry to do so? If a request is made to urgently ring the police becausd a child is missing, and the parents know it is an abduction, do you really think people would just shrug their shoulders and just leave it?

Request??
People were running around like headless chickens looking for a missing child, the restaurant waiter informed reception and asked them to call the police at around 22.15 and One of the crèche Nannies went and searched the apt just after the incident. The child disappeared from the holiday resort, they should have treated it as urgent, which is what they did do to an extent, except that............................ no phone call was made until 22.44.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2015, 12:37:23 PM »
Topic please Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?



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― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2015, 12:54:09 PM »
I thought they were looking for an abducted child? when was it established Maddie was 'abducted'?  the parents had phones- they could  have handed the phone to an bi lingual 'nannie' could they not. OR perhaps Kate could have grabbed her phone that instant and dialled the emergency number and asked to hold while she ran to the club and handed the phone to a waiter or bi lingual person to tel them a child has been abducted.

Of course why leave two children alone, to run and tell a waiting audience that one of them had been abducted!!  seriously something wrong there- in my opinion.

They had reception only seconds away, who spoke English and would know the correct procedure and could call the police.
I don’t think the parents would be in any state to know what they were doing after discovering their child missing.
We are discussing …Why did the Ocean club not phone the police sooner as Topic Heading.
There is another thread, M T I, on why the mccanns didn't phone the police.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2015, 12:55:12 PM »
Why didn't the McCanns or any of group take out their phone and call the police. If they knew she was abducted and not hiding in a bush then why didn't they call instead of examining shutters.

They called the family...the Sky news team was on it next day..via family contacting 'people'
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2015, 12:59:40 PM »
Please stay on topic. Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?

There is another thread discussing why the McCanns didn't phone the police.

 Off topic posts will be deleted.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2015, 01:04:43 PM »

This relates to the fact that the OC did not call until 22.44 and the reasons why, not why the mccanns didn't phone.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 01:35:34 PM by Eleanor »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2015, 01:10:29 PM »
They had reception only seconds away, who spoke English and would know the correct procedure and could call the police.
I don’t think the parents would be in any state to know what they were doing after discovering their child missing.
We are discussing …Why did the Ocean club not phone the police sooner as Topic Heading.
There is another thread, M T I, on why the mccanns didn't phone the police.

Sorry about off topic Anna, I didn't realise. Threads are so similar!

Could one of the party not shout at staff "quick someone call the police" as they ran back to the flat?

Dianne webster stayed back? maybe the OC didn't understand what was going on? but let's say it is there fault anyway!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin