4-year-old seeking slushie found alone on bus at 3 am.

[Carana]

didnt  maddie  go missing   another  night   during bedtime she was playing hide and  seek and they couldnt find her for  30 minutes??  so  why couldnt she have got out

Erm, do you have a reliable cite for that, Carly?

[DCI]

Erm, do you have a reliable cite for that, Carly?

It's what locals claim. But not playing hide and seek. How they knew she didn't always settle, or what time bedtime was, is beyond me

In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474656/Madeleine-missing-hour-did-McCanns-check-children.html#ixzz3Vn4I6K9i

[Brietta]

It's what locals claim. But not playing hide and seek. How they knew she didn't always settle, or what time bedtime was, is beyond me

In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474656/Madeleine-missing-hour-did-McCanns-check-children.html#ixzz3Vn4I6K9i

"We drank. So what! We were on holiday."

Interesting article which manages to detail just about every myth in the lexicon ~ Blood ~ Murder ~ the 'pact of silence' ~ Discrepancies in Statements ~ Incriminating phone calls intercepted ~ Timeline ~ Dissing Jane Tanner's sighting etc, etc.

A look at the date ~ 11 August 2007 ~ gives a clue to the impeccable source of the misinformation as the Portuguese press as quoting from the Dairio de Noticias would seem to confirm.

We know so much better now, or if we don't, we should by now. 

[ShiningInLuz]

It's what locals claim. But not playing hide and seek. How they knew she didn't always settle, or what time bedtime was, is beyond me

In a further twist, locals now claim that Madeleine did not always settle well. One evening they allege she ran away into the paths between the apartments, hiding for half an hour when it was time for bed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474656/Madeleine-missing-hour-did-McCanns-check-children.html#ixzz3Vn4I6K9i

11 Aug 2007, the date of the 'report', plus the source (Daily Mail) says it all.  'Locals now claim that', while others relate 'jemmied shutters'.  Wasn't it early Sep 2007 that the McCanns got made arguidos?  I wonder what the Daily Mail was speculating about then.

[Lace]

Children do manage to get out at night and wander,   though I thought with Madeleine it wasn't the fact that she could get out of the apartment it was the fact that the curtains on the patio doors were closed,  the patio door was closed,  the child gate at the top of the steps was closed and the gate at the bottom of the steps was also closed.

I doubt if a child of almost four would bother to close gates behind her.   Especially the child gate which was at the top of the steps,   it would mean her turning around in the dark to close it.

[Brietta]

11 Aug 2007, the date of the 'report', plus the source (Daily Mail) says it all.  'Locals now claim that', while others relate 'jemmied shutters'.  Wasn't it early Sep 2007 that the McCanns got made arguidos?  I wonder what the Daily Mail was speculating about then.

I think the leaks to the press were the 'build up' to the ultimate knock out blow of having the McCanns declared arguidos.  It should be remembered that had the investigators waited a few days longer the change in Portuguese law would not have allowed that without hard supportive evidence; worth a thought when considering the present investigation.

The little girl who wandered out on her own we are discussing here, was found by a concerned member of the public who alerted the driver before putting her on the bus.

Grangemouth: Toddler wearing one boot found walking along busy street on her own
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grangemouth-toddler-wearing-one-boot-5423808

The eighteen month old mentioned here was also found wandering by a concerned member of the public who ensured her safety by immediately contacting the authorities.

Why is it considered that if Madeleine McCann had left the apartment in Praia da Luz of her own volition she would certainly have come to harm and have walked into the hands of a predator?

The two examples from different hemispheres of children wandering on their own suggest that is not the necessary outcome for such an adventure.

[John]

Children do manage to get out at night and wander,   though I thought with Madeleine it wasn't the fact that she could get out of the apartment it was the fact that the curtains on the patio doors were closed,  the patio door was closed,  the child gate at the top of the steps was closed and the gate at the bottom of the steps was also closed.

I doubt if a child of almost four would bother to close gates behind her.   Especially the child gate which was at the top of the steps,   it would mean her turning around in the dark to close it.

If she walked out it would have been by the daily route she was used to ie the front door.

[sadie]

If she walked out it would have been by the daily route she was used to ie the front door.

Sorry to disagree, but the route she used mainly would likely be the patio door because they would nip back for the loo, forgotten items, snacks, drinks etc. as they sat around the pool.

Either of us could be right, but tbh, John, I doubt that she would like the pitch blackness of the porch area or that walled in passage that had to be mainly negotiated before she would see any light.  The car parking area was dark enough without the added darkness and isolation from being too small to see over thta walkway wall

I think the only way she would have ben likely to go was towards the patio door exit ..... but then !

Nah.

[Lace]

If she walked out it would have been by the daily route she was used to ie the front door.

I thought Kate used the patio doors when leaving the house.