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Offline pathfinder73

Kate is not naive but she likes to play the damsel in distress to receive pity but the other side come out when it matters. Her book is fascinating.

I sat there quietly, trying to compose myself despite the anger bubbling below the surface. They haven’t been looking for Madeleine . . . Then they started. What had I seen and heard after entering apartment 5A at 10pm on 3 May 2007? Who called the police? At what time? Who contacted the media? It’s actually quite difficult not to answer when someone asks you a question. The natural reaction is to reply, out of politeness if nothing else. And of course the urge to say what I thought about some of their vile and ridiculous insinuations was hard to suppress. On the other hand, I was very weary and at least repeating ‘No comment’ didn’t involve engaging my brain. It certainly speeded up the translation process. With luck it would mean these proceedings wouldn’t drag on any longer than they had to. (Madeleine)

A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

Q.  Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A.  'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.' (KM)

Why would she answer that one. What did your lawyer say  8(0(*


Q - When you raised the hypothesis that the girl might have died after falling off the sofa, did Kate McCann answer?

A - She did not answer, she just dropped her head for a moment, as if she was about to faint. She had an emotional collapse that lasted just a moment. (GA)

« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 01:35:12 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

Exactly how offensive is Kate's comment compared to the ones hurled at football referees every weekend who are only "doing their job"?
Seriously.....some folk are being "oversensitive" out of sheer bloody-mindedness. I guess flogging page 129 must have been exhausted.

The difference being of course that the comment in the book was carefully calculated and not off-the-cuff.  Just as the decision to refuse to answer the Portuguese police questions was...by design regardless of the consequences for Madeleine, a calculated decision to impede the investigation.  The reason for which only she knows.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 02:59:22 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

It's purely a matter of opinion ...the sceptics will say it's offensive and the supporters will say it isn't

Offline G-Unit

There was no respect for the Portuguese  police from the beginning; remember Tweedledum and Tweedledee? This group of friends seem to me to have had an inflated sense of their own importance. They bombarded Mark Warner with demands before they got there, hogged the Tapas bookings so others couldn't get in for a meal and moved the tennis times to suit themselves. When Mrs Fenn asked what was wrong she was 'a woman with a plummy voice' and Kate McCann and Fiona Payne made a short and to the point reply. When KM realised the police suspected her her first reaction wasn't 'Oh no! They haven't been looking for Madeleine' it was 'What do they know? What will people say?'

Some people have decided that the McCanns are innocent of any wrong doing and they may be right, I don't know. What I find hard to understand is why they then have to praise and excuse everything they say and do. Her swearing isnt bad, oh no, she was justified. I have seen 'He deserved it' 'She was just letting off steam' 'BL did it worse' (lol, lol) 'It was under her breath' (lol) 'He may be an internet perv' 'football fans do it'.

The McCanns and their friends may be innocent of any crime, but they don't come across as a very pleasant bunch in my opinion.

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Offline jassi

There was no respect for the Portuguese  police from the beginning; remember Tweedledum and Tweedledee? This group of friends seem to me to have had an inflated sense of their own importance. They bombarded Mark Warner with demands before they got there, hogged the Tapas bookings so others couldn't get in for a meal and moved the tennis times to suit themselves. When Mrs Fenn asked what was wrong she was 'a woman with a plummy voice' and Kate McCann and Fiona Payne made a short and to the point reply. When KM realised the police suspected her her first reaction wasn't 'Oh no! They haven't been looking for Madeleine' it was 'What do they know? What will people say?'

Some people have decided that the McCanns are innocent of any wrong doing and they may be right, I don't know. What I find hard to understand is why they then have to praise and excuse everything they say and do. Her swearing isnt bad, oh no, she was justified. I have seen 'He deserved it' 'She was just letting off steam' 'BL did it worse' (lol, lol) 'It was under her breath' (lol) 'He may be an internet perv' 'football fans do it'.

The McCanns and their friends may be innocent of any crime, but they don't come across as a very pleasant bunch in my opinion.

Not that's its on any importance, but that is pretty much my veiw as well
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Not that's its on any importance, but that is pretty much my veiw as well

Do you know where we can buy some rose tinted spectacles? We could fit in great if we had some.  @)(++(*
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Offline pathfinder73

She hasn't finished with Ricardo Paiva yet.

At 4.30pm Ricardo arrived with a female colleague and the forms Gerry needed to complete. After his colleague left with the paperwork, Ricardo asked if we had any queries he could answer. ‘Do you have any information for us?’ I inquired.
He clarified with us the date of our planned departure back to the UK and told us that the PJ wanted to ‘interrogate’ me on Wednesday and Gerry on Thursday. We’d waited almost four weeks for these interviews and it was obvious they had been hastily arranged once Bob Small notified the PJ that we would be leaving the country. Otherwise, why now? As far as we knew, they didn’t have the forensic results back yet.
We should bring our lawyer with us to the police station, Ricardo went on. Gerry smelled a rat. The law has changed now, but back then witnesses were not normally entitled to legal representation. ‘Isn’t it unusual for witnesses to be questioned with their lawyer present?’ he asked. It was like pulling teeth, but these were teeth that would have been falling out very soon anyway. We were not going to be questioned as witnesses, Ricardo finally admitted. ‘So what will our status be, then?’ Gerry pressed him.
‘It’s called arguido.’
As if we’d never heard the word.
I dropped my head in my hands in utter disbelief. I began to shake and cry. I shouted at Ricardo, ‘What are you doing? Why are you doing this? I can’t believe what’s going on! This is ridiculous. It’s despicable.’ I shook my head over and over again. ‘This can’t be happening. This just cannotbe true!’
What kind of country was this? And while the PJ were going down this track, leading the media and public to believe we were responsible for our daughter’s disappearance, who was looking for Madeleine?
I remember crying out in despair, ‘What will our parents think? How will they cope with this? What are you trying to do? Destroy our family completely?’ These were of course rhetorical questions, but they would subsequently be thrown back at me as some kind of proof of a guilty conscience. My remark about our parents in particular was perceived as strange and suspicious. To me it was a completely understandable reaction. We love our parents and were greatly concerned about their health and emotional state. They had lost their granddaughter. They had seen their own son and daughter in extreme pain and distress and every aspect of our characters ripped to shreds in the newspapers. They’d been through so much already, and now this.
Trisha and Eileen were staying with us for what was intended to be our final week in Luz. Hearing the commotion from the next room, where they were playing with Sean and Amelie, they came running in demanding to know what was happening. Within seconds there were more tears and more shouts of dismay and disbelief. Once again things were going from bad to worse. Much worse.
Ricardo left, looking every inch the sheepish messenger boy he was. (Madeleine)
« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 10:14:13 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  I've been called worse than that during the last eight years.  In fact I was, after the very first post I ever made on the Case.
He's a grown man and a Police Officer, who was lying to a witness in the most distressing circumstances.  Why isn't anyone complaining about that?
Why this precious defence of a man who has at least some decidedly suspect morals, who certainly knew he was lying?

Offline pathfinder73

I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  I've been called worse than that during the last eight years.  In fact I was, after the very first post I ever made on the Case.
He's a grown man and a Police Officer, who was lying to a witness in the most distressing circumstances.  Why isn't anyone complaining about that?
Why this precious defence of a man who has at least some decidedly suspect morals, who certainly knew he was lying?

He wasn't lying. The dogs alerted behind that sofa. Blood was found there. Parents are always investigated in these cases but the McCanns don't like it and are playing the sympathy card. Well it doesn't wash with many. They can answer questions like all the other arguidos in this case! You keep on making excuses for them. It's their daughter, they refuse to answer questions and the tapas lot didn't go back and do a reconstruction. They can stop blaming others and the evil PJ because if anyone is to blame it's them for not cooperating! They would rather hire lawyers and sue people instead!
« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 10:33:40 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Eleanor

He wasn't lying. The dogs alerted behind that sofa. Blood was found there. Parents are always investigated in these cases but the McCanns don't like it and are playing the sympathy card. Well it doesn't wash with many who can see through their BS. They can answer questions like all the other arguidos in this case! You keep on making excuses for them. It's their daughter, they refuse to answer questions and they didn't go back and do a reconstruction. They can stop blaming others and the evil PJ because if anyone is to blame it's them for not cooperating! They would rather hire lawyers and sue people instead!

What has this got to do with what Kate said?

Paiva is not a totally stupid man.  He knew that what he was accusing her of could not be proved.

I do not keep making excuses for The McCanns.  I just happen to believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty.  And where in English Law does it say that witnesses or suspects are forced to answer questions designed to implicate them?

And quite frankly, if F****** T***** was the best she could come up with, then she could do with a few lessons.

Offline Benice

Kate is not naive but she likes to play the damsel in distress to receive pity but the other side come out when it matters. Her book is fascinating.

I sat there quietly, trying to compose myself despite the anger bubbling below the surface. They haven’t been looking for Madeleine . . . Then they started. What had I seen and heard after entering apartment 5A at 10pm on 3 May 2007? Who called the police? At what time? Who contacted the media? It’s actually quite difficult not to answer when someone asks you a question. The natural reaction is to reply, out of politeness if nothing else. And of course the urge to say what I thought about some of their vile and ridiculous insinuations was hard to suppress. On the other hand, I was very weary and at least repeating ‘No comment’ didn’t involve engaging my brain. It certainly speeded up the translation process. With luck it would mean these proceedings wouldn’t drag on any longer than they had to. (Madeleine)

A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

Q.  Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A.  'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.' (KM)

Why would she answer that one. What did your lawyer say  8(0(*


Q - When you raised the hypothesis that the girl might have died after falling off the sofa, did Kate McCann answer?

A - She did not answer, she just dropped her head for a moment, as if she was about to faint. She had an emotional collapse that lasted just a moment. (GA)


Quite a detailed description of Kate,  for someone who had never met her or spoken to her.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

This Thread is not going Off Topic, so please take Off Topic comments elsewhere.

Was Kate McCanns comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive? 

I don't think it was, especially in the light of the book written by Amaral, which Paiva made a half hearted attempt to justify, wherein much worse things were said about Kate McCann.

Some of you might well have a different opinion, in which case voice then here.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 11:17:19 AM by Eleanor »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Were it in public directed at an individual, in England it could be considered an offence under the Public Order Act.
Were it two mates having a barney down the "battle" it would be slightly different.
Draw your own conclusions from that.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Miss Taken Identity

There was no respect for the Portuguese  police from the beginning; remember Tweedledum and Tweedledee? This group of friends seem to me to have had an inflated sense of their own importance. They bombarded Mark Warner with demands before they got there, hogged the Tapas bookings so others couldn't get in for a meal and moved the tennis times to suit themselves. When Mrs Fenn asked what was wrong she was 'a woman with a plummy voice' and Kate McCann and Fiona Payne made a short and to the point reply. When KM realised the police suspected her her first reaction wasn't 'Oh no! They haven't been looking for Madeleine' it was 'What do they know? What will people say?'

Some people have decided that the McCanns are innocent of any wrong doing and they may be right, I don't know. What I find hard to understand is why they then have to praise and excuse everything they say and do. Her swearing isnt bad, oh no, she was justified. I have seen 'He deserved it' 'She was just letting off steam' 'BL did it worse' (lol, lol) 'It was under her breath' (lol) 'He may be an internet perv' 'football fans do it'.

The McCanns and their friends may be innocent of any crime, but they don't come across as a very pleasant bunch in my opinion.


Agree with this post 100%  well said G.

Kate does have a nasty streak in my opinion. It is one thing to be upset at being questioned about involvement in your childs disappearance, quite another to slagg off the police and a countrys legal system. Seem strange to say the least- what did she expect British rule to be enforced? Her behaviour would have been interpreted as a sign of  guilt.. Of that I am sure. She seemed to like the attention of having they upper hand?

And I still believe that the parents were more concerned with their reputation...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline pathfinder73

Quite a detailed description of Kate,  for someone who had never met her or spoken to her.

Yes he was behind a 2 way mirror watching proceedings. Have you ever seen them in police stations or films?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.