Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[carlymichelle]

Many serving police officers drink regularly and get drunk off duty as a means to counter stress, often this escalates with the inevitable result.  Amaral was no different and what's more, he acknowledges it.

exactly and you might say the same about  doctors  the mcanns    are no diffrent to GA  with  3  little kids and being  drs etc   being a  doctor has pressures etc so   whats to say they didnt   drink   heaps to ease their stresses?    and  whos to say they were not  drunk while the kids  were alone  ??? get my  point . mcann supporters deny the mcanns  were drunk that week or on  the  3rd or may but how do they  know??

[G-Unit]

Interestingly, the alleged "f*****g tosser" wasn't doing his job when he took over from Rebelo.  He was so certain of the theory that Madeleine McCann was dead he didn't bother to investigate any of the evidence sent to him, some of it by other police forces some of it from members of the public and some from the McCann detectives.

"Not Relevant to the Inquiry" files spring immediately to mind.

Is that file fact or rumour?

[Brietta]

Yet you have never disproved that the evidence was followed up before being considered ' not relevant to the inquiry' have you Brietta ?

Sigh ... not only might Ricardo Paiva have been classed a FT ... he could also in my opinion have been considered a lazy incompetent cop who was derelict in his duty by deliberately not investigating information relevant to the search for a missing child.
I don't think it possible to sink much lower than having such an accusation levelled at one ... in comparison to be called a "f*****g tosser* is an accolade.

[stephen25000]

Well said John.

Ditto.

[stephen25000]

Many serving police officers drink regularly and get drunk off duty as a means to counter stress, often this escalates with the inevitable result.  Amaral was no different and what's more, he acknowledges it.

Precisely.

[stephen25000]

Sigh ... not only might Ricardo Paiva have been classed a FT ... he could also in my opinion have been considered a lazy incompetent cop who was derelict in his duty by deliberately not investigating information relevant to the search for a missing child.
I don't think it possible to sink much lower than having such an accusation levelled at one ... in comparison to be called a "f*****g tosser* is an accolade.

So as regards parenting skills.

Where would the mccanns be placed on the scale of applying two certain words ?

[faithlilly]

Sigh ... not only might Ricardo Paiva have been classed a FT ... he could also in my opinion have been considered a lazy incompetent cop who was derelict in his duty by deliberately not investigating information relevant to the search for a missing child.
I don't think it possible to sink much lower than having such an accusation levelled at one ... in comparison to be called a "f*****g tosser* is an accolade.

To claim Paiva is a ' lazy, incompetent cop' who did not follow up information you must first prove that  the information provided was not followed up. So far you have failed to do so. Can I suggest that therefore you are either being astonishingly lazy or the proof simply does not exist. Which is it Brietta ?

[DCI]

Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010


Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”
The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.

The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.

Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

[Brietta]

Is that file fact or rumour?

That file is very sadly ... fact ... and what an indictment it is as well as being one of the most scandalous examples of dereliction of duty by the wilful calculated neglect ignoring information being submitted about a missing child.

One can see where the priorities lay in finding out what may have become of Madeleine McCann.

Those who find the use of the words FT to describe this person should be aware that the only people at that time seeking "justice" and their child, were Madeleine McCann's parents, those tasked with the duty to do so were  not.

** snip

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.

"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

[John]

Sigh ... not only might Ricardo Paiva have been classed a FT ... he could also in my opinion have been considered a lazy incompetent cop who was derelict in his duty by deliberately not investigating information relevant to the search for a missing child.
I don't think it possible to sink much lower than having such an accusation levelled at one ... in comparison to be called a "f*****g tosser* is an accolade.

I think that sweeping statement is just a tad unfair and disingenuous Brietta.  Do you have any evidence independent of the Madeleine case to justify it.  Always remembering that Paiva is still a serving senior officer in the PJ in Madeira.

Why would the PJ pursue any external enquiries and/or leads given what occurred?

[carlymichelle]

I think that sweeping statement is just a tad unfair and disingenuous Brietta.  Do you have any evidence independent of the Madeleine case to justify it.  Always remembering that Paiva is still a serving senior officer in the PJ in Madeira.

the thing is too john the police officers are not   respnsible for whatever did  happen to maddie   she had  parents  and their  lack of care   led to the probable death of a  little  girl  i  guess     some people have to blame somebody  other then the   mcanns dont they

[John]

the thing is too john the police officers are not   respnsible for whatever did  happen to maddie   she had  parents  and their  lack of care   led to the probable death of a  little  girl  i  guess     some people have to blame somebody  other then the   mcanns dont they

It called shifting the blame, a phenomena well known to detectives.

[Brietta]

So as regards parenting skills.

Where would the mccanns be placed on the scale of applying two certain words ?

Probably slightly lower down the scale of offensiveness than a disgraceful cop endangering his four year old by drunken driving with her in the vehicle.

[carlymichelle]

It called shifting the blame, a phenomena well known to detectives.

yep so they blame the police officers on the case which is very unfair imo the   PJ   did the  best they   could    in  finding maddie   with  the limited  story they had

[carlymichelle]

Probably slightly lower down the scale of offensiveness than a disgraceful cop endangering his four year old by drunken driving with her in the vehicle.

while i dont   condone    drink driving   ( you  have no proof  except hearsay anyway)   it  is nothing to do with the  mcanns  he  was off duty  like john says some  people have to shift the blame