Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[Brietta]

I think that sweeping statement is just a tad unfair and disingenuous Brietta.  Do you have any evidence independent of the Madeleine case to justify it.  Always remembering that Paiva is still a serving senior officer in the PJ in Madeira.

Why would the PJ pursue any external enquiries and/or leads given what occurred?

What would the result be if a British police officer acted in the same fashion that the alleged FT, Ricardo Paiva did by totally ignoring information sent to him as head of an investigation?

When this scandal was revealed in 2010 ( that's nearly two years of information on a missing child being totally ignored) no-one in the Portuguese judiciary seemed unduly perturbed as there is no evidence of an inquiry being conducted or any disciplinary proceedings being undertaken as a result.

Exactly why he was sent to Madeira after his alleged internet activities is not made entirely clear but from what I can gather, it is not looked on by PJ officers as a career enhancing move.

[Mr Gray]

Many serving police officers drink regularly and get drunk off duty as a means to counter stress, often this escalates with the inevitable result.  Amaral was no different and what's more, he acknowledges it.

getting drunk off duty on a regular basis is not acceptable and professional misconduct...it leads to arriving at work hungover and an inability to carry out work. How would anyone feel if their heart surgeon was hungover when he arrived for work

[Mr Gray]

When amaral received the information Maddie had been abducted he was out drinking at 1.00am...what state was he in the following morning to take charge of the case

[jassi]

What would the result be if a British police officer acted in the same fashion that the alleged FT, Ricardo Paiva did by totally ignoring information sent to him as head of an investigation?

When this scandal was revealed in 2010 ( that's nearly two years of information on a missing child being totally ignored) no-one in the Portuguese judiciary seemed unduly perturbed as there is no evidence of an inquiry being conducted or any disciplinary proceedings being undertaken as a result.

Exactly why he was sent to Madeira after his alleged internet activities is not made entirely clear but from what I can gather, it is not looked on by PJ officers as a career enhancing move.

Would this be the same information that,  SY have worked through to no avail (IMP),  do you think?

[Mr Gray]

Would this be the same information that SY have worked through to no avail, do you think?

do you have any proof that SY are working to no avail?

[Brietta]

while i dont   condone    drink driving   ( you  have no proof  except hearsay anyway)   it  is nothing to do with the  mcanns  he  was off duty  like john says some  people have to shift the blame

The child's mother was not as relaxed about the endangerment of her daughter as you are ... she did go to the bother of making an official complaint about it.



Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal


Excellency
Dr. Guilhermino Encarnação
Faro's Director of the Judiciary Police


Faro, 23/12/2007


Dear Sir:

As you know I'm the wife of the Coordinator of Criminal Investigation Gonçalo Amaral, with whom I have a daughter minor of age, with 4 years old, named Inês Sofia. You know also that Inês Sofia is living temporarily with her father.
By the present way I want to expose to you:

1. As agreed with my husband, Inês Sofia should spend Christmas with me, since last Thursday, day 20th. In that day, I contacted Gonçalo by mobile phone, and I was informed that Inês was with him, in trip to Coimbra and would only return on the following day;

2. On Friday 21st, I called again my husband, around lunch time. He informed me they were still on trip and at soon he arrive to Faro he will give me Inês. I waited until 8 PM without any news and Gonçalo never answered my phone calls. I then decided to go to a pub where I encountered Gonçalo and other colleagues of him consuming alcoholic beverages, asking him by Inês Sofia, he answered, visible drunken, that “she was resting” and that he will give me the child the following day. Then he departed, driving an Audi car from the police.

3. On Saturday 22nd , and after many attempts, my husband finally answered the phone in the middle of the afternoon, and asked me to get Inês in home. I rushed to the residence, but nobody was there. After a while, Gonçalo appeared driving the same car, and again in a notorious state of drunkenness. Having asked him for Inês Sofia, he ordered me to go inside the house, where he insulted me and threatened me of death. I abandoned the place.

4.Today, Sunday 23rd, and after numerous attempts, Gonçalo never answered his phone and he is not at home.


Unfortunately, this situation is not a unique and isolated act, and you Sir well know about other times in the past where I've also asked for your help. Once more, I ask again for your help, in order to guarantee Inês Sofia integrity, and in order to localize her.

Best Regards,

Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal

[Alice Purjorick]

Probably slightly lower down the scale of offensiveness than a disgraceful cop endangering his four year old by drunken driving with her in the vehicle.

Loads of people do it all the time.

[jassi]

do you have any proof that SY are working to no avail?

Quite right. I shall add IMO 

[Alice Purjorick]

Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
7:30AM GMT 12 Feb 2010


Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”
The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.

The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.

The McCanns’ legal team became aware of the file during court proceedings as part of a libel trial brought by the couple against the former detective, Goncalo Amaral, who led the initial investigation.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, accused current Algarve police chief Ricardo Paiva of deliberately ignoring the leads because they did not fit in with the theory that Madeleine’s parents were involved in her disappearance.

Last month he appeared in court as a witness in support of former colleague Mr Amaral, who has written a book alleging that the girl died in the holiday apartment and her parents fabricated a tale of abduction after hiding her body.

"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - Ricardo Paiva writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',” Mrs Duarte said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.

“He believed and to this day still believes that Madeleine is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCanns to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.

"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7215353/Portuguese-police-ignored-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Claimed but was it ever proven?

[stephen25000]

Probably slightly lower down the scale of offensiveness than a disgraceful cop endangering his four year old by drunken driving with her in the vehicle.

and where did this case originate ?

[DCI]

and where did this case originate ?

His wife!

[carlymichelle]

and where did this case originate ?

at best   due to parental neglect    that lead to who  knows   what

[Brietta]

Would this be the same information that SY have worked through to no avail, do you think?

Which title do you prefer FT or WUM ...

[stephen25000]

His wife!

I'm not talking about Amaral.

[DCI]

The child's mother was not as relaxed about the endangerment of her daughter as you are ... she did go to the bother of making an official complaint about it.



Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal


Excellency
Dr. Guilhermino Encarnação
Faro's Director of the Judiciary Police


Faro, 23/12/2007


Dear Sir:

As you know I'm the wife of the Coordinator of Criminal Investigation Gonçalo Amaral, with whom I have a daughter minor of age, with 4 years old, named Inês Sofia. You know also that Inês Sofia is living temporarily with her father.
By the present way I want to expose to you:

1. As agreed with my husband, Inês Sofia should spend Christmas with me, since last Thursday, day 20th. In that day, I contacted Gonçalo by mobile phone, and I was informed that Inês was with him, in trip to Coimbra and would only return on the following day;

2. On Friday 21st, I called again my husband, around lunch time. He informed me they were still on trip and at soon he arrive to Faro he will give me Inês. I waited until 8 PM without any news and Gonçalo never answered my phone calls. I then decided to go to a pub where I encountered Gonçalo and other colleagues of him consuming alcoholic beverages, asking him by Inês Sofia, he answered, visible drunken, that “she was resting” and that he will give me the child the following day. Then he departed, driving an Audi car from the police.

3. On Saturday 22nd , and after many attempts, my husband finally answered the phone in the middle of the afternoon, and asked me to get Inês in home. I rushed to the residence, but nobody was there. After a while, Gonçalo appeared driving the same car, and again in a notorious state of drunkenness. Having asked him for Inês Sofia, he ordered me to go inside the house, where he insulted me and threatened me of death. I abandoned the place.

4.Today, Sunday 23rd, and after numerous attempts, Gonçalo never answered his phone and he is not at home.


Unfortunately, this situation is not a unique and isolated act, and you Sir well know about other times in the past where I've also asked for your help. Once more, I ask again for your help, in order to guarantee Inês Sofia integrity, and in order to localize her.

Best Regards,

Alexandra Sofia de Sousa Manjua Leal

Thanks Brietta, I was just looking for that.