Was Kate McCanns "f.....g tosser" comment directed at Ricardo Paiva offensive?

[G-Unit]

They couldn't have known whether this was a good idea or not. It could have sparked hoaxes (which it did) and wasted police time on unlikely sightings (which it did), even though numerous sightings may have been genuine.

On the other hand, imagine the headlines "Parents refuse huge reward offered for anyone who finds and returns their child alive".

Can't win, can you?

The McCanns have never offered a reward as far as I know. The News of the World did.

[Brietta]

So can I conclude by the silence of both DCI and Brietta that there is no evidence that the PJ, including Paiva, didn't follow leads before marking them ' not relevant'.

Glad we've cleared that one up 

End of mind games for me     back into the silly box for you ... sometimes one does incline towards approval of appropriate quotes such as "f*****g tosser" when used in context.

You are allowed to read and digest information contained in posts not directly aimed at you, but if that is beyond your capabilities and just for reference in case there is any doubt ...

Ricardo Paiva received information in Madeleine McCann's case from other policing authorities.
Ricardo Paiva ignored all such information.
Ricardo Paiva marked all such information as irrelevant.


"Ignored" evidence may lead to re-opening of Madeleine case Algarve Resident

Special Report by CHRIS GRAEME at Lisbon Civil Court
Updated: 11-Feb-2010

Lawyers acting on behalf of Kate and Gerry McCann and Gonçalo Amaral admitted in Lisbon on Wednesday (February 10) that evidence ignored by police investigators could pave the way for the Madeleine Case to be reopened.

The lawyers were speaking outside the Lisbon Civil Court, Tribunal Civel de Lisboa, on the last day of an injunction case which the McCanns hope will permanently ban publication of Madeleine – the Secret of the Lie, the book which purports that the three-year-old toddler died in a tragic accident in their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and that the parents tried to conceal the body.

Isabel Duarte, representing the McCanns, who were in Lisbon at the hearing, said that there was "evidence that could compromise the Polícia Judiciária investigation" in Portimão and pave the way for "the reopening of the Madeleine Case".

The firebrand lawyer, who caused a sensation in the highly-charged court room in her passionate summing up deliberations by using emotive words against the book, the author, its publishers and a television channel, such as vultures, crows and vampires attracted to the "smell of fresh meat" said that she had attempted to show that the PJ had "undervalued successive sightings of a child" which the British police had given credence too.

"What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, some of them shocking, similar to the girl, places and car number plates," she said, which the McCanns had not been called in to identify, but which could show that a girl like Madeleine could have been in Spain or Italy.

When pressed further, Isabel Duarte said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the Chief Investigator in the case after Gonçalo Amaral's removal for allegedly criticising British police, "had been reported as having received sightings of Madeleine" but then later, in court, changed his story.

"What I heard, and this is taped (in court), is that Inspector Paiva said he believed the girl was dead and so, straight off, that means no one is going to investigate a girl that's alive, don't you think?” she said.

Isabel Duarte said that French, Spanish and British investigators had confirmed that the leads "were promising" but that the Portuguese investigators "didn't take them seriously and follow them up".

In a statement outside the court house, Gerry McCann said that the couple would be delighted if the case were reopened.

"We have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation not dismissal," he said as both issued a fresh plea for the Portuguese to come forward with any information about Madeleine.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id308.html

[Brietta]

Indeed both the mccanns and their supporters are invariably blinded by the facts.

Another poster elsewhere has put this into perspective on Amazon.

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'I see a fresh row has broken out on the JF over the supposed file of sightings as mentioned in this newspaper report

"Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up," said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all."

There was only one problem with this claim. It was a big lie.

Duarte made this claim outside of the courtroom where of course she could not be challenged on it. It was part of the attempt to make it appear that Amaral's book ''harmed the search'' for Madeleine, a claim the judge in the ongoing case has since found ''not proven''

However, the McCanns and their chief dementors had not taken into account an unexpected fly in the ointment. A rather large fly in the shape of four UK newspapers, who jointly petitioned the Portuguese court for access to said file, which was duly granted.

Hence they discovered that far from being red-hot credible leads they were mostly the rambling insane jottings of people who had refused to take their medication and were insisting that they had seen Maddie on the telly in a choir, or that she had popped into their shop. In New Zealand.

They had also been followed up locally, found to be worthless, and forwarded to the PJ for their information.

The McCanns were very cross when this got out. In fact they called a press conference, claimed the papers were ''harming the search'' (again) and Kate, in as blinding a piece of bare-faced cheek as I have ever witnessed, called upon people to ''take personal responsibility'', which is pretty rich coming from a woman who at the time her 3 year old child supposedly went missing wasn't there as she was wrapped around a ......................'

Hmmm ... wonder if you would mind terribly asking your fellow poster for a cite ...    probably not, cites aren't really your thing.

[faithlilly]

Indeed both the mccanns and their supporters are invariably blinded by the facts.

Another poster elsewhere has put this into perspective on Amazon.

---------------------------------
'I see a fresh row has broken out on the JF over the supposed file of sightings as mentioned in this newspaper report

"Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up," said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all."

There was only one problem with this claim. It was a big lie.

Duarte made this claim outside of the courtroom where of course she could not be challenged on it. It was part of the attempt to make it appear that Amaral's book ''harmed the search'' for Madeleine, a claim the judge in the ongoing case has since found ''not proven''

However, the McCanns and their chief dementors had not taken into account an unexpected fly in the ointment. A rather large fly in the shape of four UK newspapers, who jointly petitioned the Portuguese court for access to said file, which was duly granted.

Hence they discovered that far from being red-hot credible leads they were mostly the rambling insane jottings of people who had refused to take their medication and were insisting that they had seen Maddie on the telly in a choir, or that she had popped into their shop. In New Zealand.

They had also been followed up locally, found to be worthless, and forwarded to the PJ for their information.

The McCanns were very cross when this got out. In fact they called a press conference, claimed the papers were ''harming the search'' (again) and Kate, in as blinding a piece of bare-faced cheek as I have ever witnessed, called upon people to ''take personal responsibility'', which is pretty rich coming from a woman who at the time her 3 year old child supposedly went missing wasn't there as she was wrapped around a ......................'

 

[stephen25000]

Hmmm ... wonder if you would mind terribly asking your fellow poster for a cite ...    probably not, cites aren't really your thing.

Ask him yourself.

You can go on Amazon, if of course you're capable of finding the forum, and have the nerve to.

 

[stephen25000]

Hmmm ... wonder if you would mind terribly asking your fellow poster for a cite ...    probably not, cites aren't really your thing.

As to cites, you are rather selective, aren't you.

[Lyall]

Indeed both the mccanns and their supporters are invariably blinded by the facts.

Another poster elsewhere has put this into perspective on Amazon.

---------------------------------
'I see a fresh row has broken out on the JF over the supposed file of sightings as mentioned in this newspaper report

"Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up," said Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCann family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all."

There was only one problem with this claim. It was a big lie.

Duarte made this claim outside of the courtroom where of course she could not be challenged on it. It was part of the attempt to make it appear that Amaral's book ''harmed the search'' for Madeleine, a claim the judge in the ongoing case has since found ''not proven''

However, the McCanns and their chief dementors had not taken into account an unexpected fly in the ointment. A rather large fly in the shape of four UK newspapers, who jointly petitioned the Portuguese court for access to said file, which was duly granted.

Hence they discovered that far from being red-hot credible leads they were mostly the rambling insane jottings of people who had refused to take their medication and were insisting that they had seen Maddie on the telly in a choir, or that she had popped into their shop. In New Zealand.

They had also been followed up locally, found to be worthless, and forwarded to the PJ for their information.

The McCanns were very cross when this got out. In fact they called a press conference, claimed the papers were ''harming the search'' (again) and Kate, in as blinding a piece of bare-faced cheek as I have ever witnessed, called upon people to ''take personal responsibility'', which is pretty rich coming from a woman who at the time her 3 year old child supposedly went missing wasn't there as she was wrapped around a ......................'

Cheers Stephen. Must admit I wasn't following the case much in 2010, though I did see GM being very angry indeed outside the court one day (you can partly understand why I think - they must be very much regretting taking action in Lisbon instead of London now).

[faithlilly]

End of mind games for me     back into the silly box for you ... sometimes one does incline towards approval of appropriate quotes such as "f*****g tosser" when used in context.

You are allowed to read and digest information contained in posts not directly aimed at you, but if that is beyond your capabilities and just for reference in case there is any doubt ...

Ricardo Paiva received information in Madeleine McCann's case from other policing authorities.
Ricardo Paiva ignored all such information.
Ricardo Paiva marked all such information as irrelevant.


"Ignored" evidence may lead to re-opening of Madeleine case Algarve Resident

Special Report by CHRIS GRAEME at Lisbon Civil Court
Updated: 11-Feb-2010

Lawyers acting on behalf of Kate and Gerry McCann and Gonçalo Amaral admitted in Lisbon on Wednesday (February 10) that evidence ignored by police investigators could pave the way for the Madeleine Case to be reopened.

The lawyers were speaking outside the Lisbon Civil Court, Tribunal Civel de Lisboa, on the last day of an injunction case which the McCanns hope will permanently ban publication of Madeleine – the Secret of the Lie, the book which purports that the three-year-old toddler died in a tragic accident in their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and that the parents tried to conceal the body.

Isabel Duarte, representing the McCanns, who were in Lisbon at the hearing, said that there was "evidence that could compromise the Polícia Judiciária investigation" in Portimão and pave the way for "the reopening of the Madeleine Case".

The firebrand lawyer, who caused a sensation in the highly-charged court room in her passionate summing up deliberations by using emotive words against the book, the author, its publishers and a television channel, such as vultures, crows and vampires attracted to the "smell of fresh meat" said that she had attempted to show that the PJ had "undervalued successive sightings of a child" which the British police had given credence too.

"What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, some of them shocking, similar to the girl, places and car number plates," she said, which the McCanns had not been called in to identify, but which could show that a girl like Madeleine could have been in Spain or Italy.

When pressed further, Isabel Duarte said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the Chief Investigator in the case after Gonçalo Amaral's removal for allegedly criticising British police, "had been reported as having received sightings of Madeleine" but then later, in court, changed his story.

"What I heard, and this is taped (in court), is that Inspector Paiva said he believed the girl was dead and so, straight off, that means no one is going to investigate a girl that's alive, don't you think?” she said.

Isabel Duarte said that French, Spanish and British investigators had confirmed that the leads "were promising" but that the Portuguese investigators "didn't take them seriously and follow them up".

In a statement outside the court house, Gerry McCann said that the couple would be delighted if the case were reopened.

"We have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation not dismissal," he said as both issued a fresh plea for the Portuguese to come forward with any information about Madeleine.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id308.html

Ah right Brietta now you've wriiten it in red it must be true !! Of course anyone who saw the press conference with Gerry described in the article knows that far from expressing his delight if the case was reopened had to be badgered by one of the journalists present into finally admitting that they would welcome the reopening. So a skewed article all in all.

Soooooooo still no independent verification !

[stephen25000]

Cheers Stephen. Must admit I wasn't following the case much in 2010, though I did see GM being very angry indeed outside the court one day (you can partly understand why I think - they must be very much regretting taking action in Lisbon instead of London now).

My pleasure Lyall.

However, the thanks should go to the Amazon poster, whose post I cut and paste here, well most of it anyway.

[Lace]

My pleasure Lyall.

However, the thanks should go to the Amazon poster, whose post I cut and paste here, well most of it anyway.

I would reply to the comment Stephen but I believe it to be off topic.

[Alfred R Jones]

Ironing p, unfortunately 

Not sure what ironing p is, but you've also found time to make 21 posts today,  whilst I was spending quality time with the family (and I didn't even swear once).

[G-Unit]

Hopefully, seasoned police would be used to panicked reactions in the case of frequent crimes.

As missing children are a relatively rare occurrence in Portugal (so we are told), what training would they have had to deal with the situation?

Wouldn't a growing or even sudden realisation that a police officer you trusted was convinced that you had harmed your child, and therefore no one was searching for her - perhaps hadn't done for some time, be a reason to be upset?

I imagine all police officers know to discount relative's reactions, which they did. I have no idea what training the Portuguese police had, but they certainly got lots of interference advice from the UK. The realisation that the iaison officer you thought was in your pocket trusted was not there to tell you what the PJ were doing and thinking would have been upsetting too. It can be read both ways.

[Lace]

Ask him yourself.

You can go on Amazon, if of course you're capable of finding the forum, and have the nerve to.

 

Stephen,  as not many seem to be on this Amazon forum you keep going on about,  why doesn't this poster come and post on this forum?

[slartibartfast]

End of mind games for me     back into the silly box for you ... sometimes one does incline towards approval of appropriate quotes such as "f*****g tosser" when used in context.

You are allowed to read and digest information contained in posts not directly aimed at you, but if that is beyond your capabilities and just for reference in case there is any doubt ...

Ricardo Paiva received information in Madeleine McCann's case from other policing authorities.
Ricardo Paiva ignored all such information.
Ricardo Paiva marked all such information as irrelevant.


"Ignored" evidence may lead to re-opening of Madeleine case Algarve Resident

Special Report by CHRIS GRAEME at Lisbon Civil Court
Updated: 11-Feb-2010

Lawyers acting on behalf of Kate and Gerry McCann and Gonçalo Amaral admitted in Lisbon on Wednesday (February 10) that evidence ignored by police investigators could pave the way for the Madeleine Case to be reopened.

The lawyers were speaking outside the Lisbon Civil Court, Tribunal Civel de Lisboa, on the last day of an injunction case which the McCanns hope will permanently ban publication of Madeleine – the Secret of the Lie, the book which purports that the three-year-old toddler died in a tragic accident in their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, and that the parents tried to conceal the body.

Isabel Duarte, representing the McCanns, who were in Lisbon at the hearing, said that there was "evidence that could compromise the Polícia Judiciária investigation" in Portimão and pave the way for "the reopening of the Madeleine Case".

The firebrand lawyer, who caused a sensation in the highly-charged court room in her passionate summing up deliberations by using emotive words against the book, the author, its publishers and a television channel, such as vultures, crows and vampires attracted to the "smell of fresh meat" said that she had attempted to show that the PJ had "undervalued successive sightings of a child" which the British police had given credence too.

"What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, some of them shocking, similar to the girl, places and car number plates," she said, which the McCanns had not been called in to identify, but which could show that a girl like Madeleine could have been in Spain or Italy.

When pressed further, Isabel Duarte said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the Chief Investigator in the case after Gonçalo Amaral's removal for allegedly criticising British police, "had been reported as having received sightings of Madeleine" but then later, in court, changed his story.

"What I heard, and this is taped (in court), is that Inspector Paiva said he believed the girl was dead and so, straight off, that means no one is going to investigate a girl that's alive, don't you think?” she said.

Isabel Duarte said that French, Spanish and British investigators had confirmed that the leads "were promising" but that the Portuguese investigators "didn't take them seriously and follow them up".

In a statement outside the court house, Gerry McCann said that the couple would be delighted if the case were reopened.

"We have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation not dismissal," he said as both issued a fresh plea for the Portuguese to come forward with any information about Madeleine.


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id308.html

There's none so blind...

[stephen25000]

Stephen,  as not many seem to be on this Amazon forum you keep going on about,  why doesn't this poster come and post on this forum?

Ask him yourself.

The forum is easily accessed.