Brenda Leyland. Coroner confirms cause of death as suicide.

[Brietta]

Nah, she's not that mad &%&£(+

                           Are you absolutely    sure about that?

[Mr Gray]

Are the McCanns on Twitter?  Did Brenda send them letters?  Did Brenda telephone and text them?

If the answer is NO to all of the above then you comment is totally false.

The McCanns most probably never even knew of Brenda's existence until Brunt and Sky News decided to make her national news.  The act of hounding is valid only when those hounded are aware of it.

Do you defend Brenda's behaviour?

[Mr Gray]

Are the McCanns on Twitter?  Did Brenda send them letters?  Did Brenda telephone and text them?

If the answer is NO to all of the above then you comment is totally false.

The McCanns most probably never even knew of Brenda's existence until Brunt and Sky News decided to make her national news.  The act of hounding is valid only when those hounded are aware of it.

The big difference between Brenda and the McCanns is that the latter invited the Press into their lives and were initially grateful for them.   Brenda did not!

In my opinion Brenda was a nasty piece of work who's actions should be condemned...I have zero sympathy for her...

[Montclair]

In my opinion Brenda was a nasty piece of work who's actions should be condemned...I have zero sympathy for her...

For you, anyone who doubts the McCann fairy tale is automatically a "nasty piece of work".

[Alice Purjorick]

You don't say. I'm shocked, I had no idea you felt that way.

(The fact you feel the need to keep saying this again and again shows you have a problem)

Just the one Mrs Wembley?

[John]

Do you defend Brenda's behaviour?

Certainly not but neither do I defend an out of control Press.   An example which comes to mind is the Daily Mail and Lucy Meadows who was driven to suicide according to the coroner by "sensational and salacious" press coverage.  Michael Singleton, coroner for Blackburn, Hyndburn and Rossendale, singled out the Daily Mail as he accused the paper of "ridicule and humiliation" and a "character assassination" of Lucy Meadows, 32, who took her own life in March 2013.

Parallel's can be drawn with Brenda's case.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/28/lucy-meadows-coroner-press-shame

[Mr Gray]

Certainly not but neither do I defend an out of control Press.   An example which comes to mind is the Daily Mail and Lucy Meadows who was driven to suicide according to the coroner by "sensational and salacious" press coverage.  Michael Singleton, coroner for Blackburn, Hyndburn and Rossendale, singled out the Daily Mail as he accused the paper of "ridicule and humiliation" and a "character assassination" of Lucy Meadows, 32, who took her own life in March 2013.

Parallel's can be drawn with Brenda's case.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/28/lucy-meadows-coroner-press-shame

If parallels can be drawn...where are they..in what papers

[John]

In my opinion Brenda was a nasty piece of work who's actions should be condemned...I have zero sympathy for her...

You're prerogative but can you repeat one thing she posted on Twitter for which she has been criticised that has been proven false?

[Mr Gray]

You're prerogative but can you repeat one thing she posted on Twitter for which she has been criticised that has been proven false?

statements do not have to be proved false to be offensive or libellous

[Mr Gray]

And Brenda Leyland too it would seem.

to take a line from John...has anything I have said about Brenda proven to be false

[Alice Purjorick]

to take a line from John...has anything I have said about Brenda proven to be false

There would seem to be little evidence to suggest she was the nasty piece of work that you have stated is your opinion.
You would appear to have no evidence that her family turned their backs on her other than the press which you excoriate in other instances.
I guess it depends on ones terms of reference.
It seems to me you positively revel in posting thoroughly unpleasant comments about anyone who has has the temerity to question anything to do with the McCanns.
If you really are concerned about people being unpleasant you could set an example to us all by knocking it off.
Now that really would convince us all you were a sincere sort of chap.

[stephen25000]

to take a line from John...has anything I have said about Brenda proven to be false

She broke no laws.

You say she abused the mccanns.

You abuse people who don't believe the mccanns.

[Alice Purjorick]

These things 'appen Mr Rudd (slightly misquoted).

[Mr Gray]

There would seem to be little evidence to suggest she was the nasty piece of work that you have stated is your opinion.
You would appear to have no evidence that her family turned their backs on her other than the press which you excoriate in other instances.
I guess it depends on ones terms of reference.
It seems to me you positively revel in posting thoroughly unpleasant comments about anyone who has has the temerity to question anything to do with the McCanns.
If you really are concerned about people being unpleasant you could set an example to us all by knocking it off.
Now that really would convince us all you were a sincere sort of chap.

It isn't the questioning or doubting..it's the abuse that you and others try to pass off as doubting.


I have a real problem with anonymous posters abusing real people...I am not in the slightest bothered about idiots on her insulting Davel...he doesn't exist. We now a facebook page abusing Brenda's family... I suppose you all support that.. I don't...like some on here ..they are a disgrace

[Lyall]

No.  But you might.

Ending the ideological defence of what Sky News did would be the best thing you and allies could do to counter the extremists in the discussion (meaning elsewhere more than here).