Madeleine McCann Press coverage - Was it a Saviour or a Damnation?

[Alice Purjorick]

Not recently then, so you wouldn't know how much progress they've made in a generation between a totalitarian state and a democratic one then?

I wouldn't know anyway. I went over there and other places in the world to do what I do not make comparisons in cultural or political situations. It is best not to if you want to come home.
Your first question was had I been to Russia the answer is yes. Then you decided to ask a different question.
Ask me one about the Czech Republic, Jordan or RSA.

[Alfred R Jones]

I wouldn't know anyway. I went over there and other places in the world to do what I do not make comparisons in cultural or political situations. It is best not to if you want to come home.
Your first question was had I been to Russia the answer is yes. Then you decided to ask a different question.
Ask me one about the Czech Republic, Jordan or RSA.

I asked the question because of your earlier statement  "I find it improbable that a country which threw off the mantle of dictatorship in favour of democracy would retain many if any vestiges of totalitarianism more than a generation later".  Now, as I haven't been to Russia I thought you, as a seasoned traveller and all round know-it-all would be able to tell us if your statement held true for Russia, which I had been led to believe (probably by the evil capitalist MSM) to have not yet quite thrown off its vestiges of totalitarianism.   Still, you don't seem to know, so never mind, I'm sure your statement is correct for almost all erstwhile totalitarian states ... 

[Alice Purjorick]

I asked the question because of your earlier statement  "I find it improbable that a country which threw off the mantle of dictatorship in favour of democracy would retain many if any vestiges of totalitarianism more than a generation later". Now, as I haven't been to Russia I thought you, as a seasoned traveller and all round know-it-all would be able to tell us if your statement held true for Russia, which I had been led to believe (probably by the evil capitalist MSM) to have not yet quite thrown off its vestiges of totalitarianism.   Still, you don't seem to know, so never mind, I'm sure your statement is correct for almost all erstwhile totalitarian states ... 

I am glad you appreciate the position.

[DCI]

So a callow youth when democracy was introduced?

Democracy much to some peoples annoyance. Like Amaral and Flores.

MF – Things were different in my time. She would have been under such an attack that before she realised anything, she'd be in jail.

GA – Right, but in your time, in our old times, investigation was made with fuel. Now we all move on honey. Apart from that, this is a process that is uncomfortable for everyone. Nicely archived, nice and quiet, that's how it looks better. Everyone was happy.

[faithlilly]

Democracy much to some peoples annoyance. Like Amaral and Flores.

MF – Things were different in my time. She would have been under such an attack that before she realised anything, she'd be in jail.

GA – Right, but in your time, in our old times, investigation was made with fuel. Now we all move on honey. Apart from that, this is a process that is uncomfortable for everyone. Nicely archived, nice and quiet, that's how it looks better. Everyone was happy.

They could be talking about policing in the 80s in the UK.

[Brietta]

The lies made up and released to the Portuguese press by a 'source close to the investigation' were so effective that there are those who believe them even today.

The constant barrage of leaks was not designed to discover Madeleine McCann's fate, but to put her parents through a 'trial by media' and manipulate public opinion against them in a way which remains one of the most disgraceful tactics of the case.

If as much effort had been put into looking for Madeleine by those tasked with the duty, they might actually have found her.


LIES, BEATINGS, SECRET TRIALS: THE DARK SIDE OF POLICE HANDLING MADELEINE CASE.

By DAVID ROSE
Last updated at 18:57 16 September 2007


**snip

Other aspects of the emerging mindset against the McCanns seemed equally questionable.

Several Portuguese lawyers and journalists, along with a uniformed police officer from the National Republican Guard I spoke to outside the Ocean Club apartment, told me solemnly not only that the McCanns and their friends were “swingers” who had taken their holiday together to indulge in group sex (an assertion made repeatedly by the Portuguese Press), but that “everyone knows” that its tolerance of orgies is the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort’s main selling point.

One afternoon I decided to test this proposition, approaching two holiday reps there, dressed in their red Mark Warner sweatshirts. “Er, is this a good place for swingers, then?” I asked.

They looked at me in total bafflement. “Swingers?” one replied.

“Look around you, sir. Most of our guests are retired, or families with children.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482007/Lies-beatings-secret-trials-dark-police-handling-Madeleine-case.html

[Alice Purjorick]

They could be talking about policing in the 80s in the UK.

Late 1970s early 1980s The Special Patrol Group (SPG).

[Eleanor]

God help us all.

[Mr Gray]

Late 1970s early 1980s The Special Patrol Group (SPG).

but the UK has moved on whereas Portugal seems not to have

[Alice Purjorick]

but the UK has moved on whereas Portugal seems not to have

Well many places are a bit dodgy; best not go beyond the soggy bit at Dover without mummy.

[faithlilly]

but the UK has moved on whereas Portugal seems not to have

Really ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/21/500-black-asian-deaths-custody-no-prosecutions

[Eleanor]

Really ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/21/500-black-asian-deaths-custody-no-prosecutions

Portugal did have serious problem, and quite possibly does still have.  There never was anything like a serious Revolution.  The real shit bags just reinvented themselves.  And in the end it was just the same old same old.
I feel really sad about this.  But I do know of certain sure that the disappearance of that little girl will forever be the end of Facist Portugal.  Not one PJ Officer will ever again even think about beating anyone.
That poor little girl did so much for the real people.
 

[Mr Gray]

Well many places are a bit dodgy; best not go beyond the soggy bit at Dover without mummy.

My 90 yr old mother was saying the same last week...how old are you?

[Alfred R Jones]

Really ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/21/500-black-asian-deaths-custody-no-prosecutions

Is it possible to find any statistics for ethnic minority deaths in Portuguese prisons and whilst in custody for a similar period?  I don't suppose there have been any, seeing as how Portugal has never had a miscarriage of justice either (allegedly)!

[stephen25000]

Portugal did have serious problem, and quite possibly does still have.  There never was anything like a serious Revolution.  The real shit bags just reinvented themselves.  And in the end it was just the same old same old.
I feel really sad about this.  But I do know of certain sure that the disappearance of that little girl will forever be the end of Facist Portugal.  Not one PJ Officer will ever again even think about beating anyone.
That poor little girl did so much for the real people.

Do you really believe in your wildest imaginings that Portugal is the only country where there are 'real shit bags' in positions of power. The ongoing investigation  into paedophile activity with politicians, judges, police, etc. involved should tell you a lot there, not that it wasn't clear before in that regard that those in authority will abuse their positions.

It's that old line about power corrupting.................................

As to Fascism ending, don't make me laugh.

You have never struck me as being naive Eleanor.