Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Lyall]

The 'cynical' people will remain 'cynical' whatever, so definitely no-one's problem but their own.

How disingenuous of you that a scoping exercise ~ a review of all the evidence over an extended period can be reduced to ...
" ... recognising the difficulty of the position he was in" 

DCI Redwood was in no difficulty whatsoever ... he did what any competent police officer would have done ... followed the evidence.

And yet - like Summers and Swan - you know nothing of this evidence.

I wonder how long it will be before you turn on this investigation.

You will, sooner or later.

[pathfinder73]

Did anyone see a man running to the wasteland area, or are you just making that bit up?

Who saw anything that night? The streets at night were deserted according to Matt. Jes was seen.

[ShiningInLuz]

Yes nine eye witnesses, why only three statements? The more this is looked at, the more it stinks.

The 3 went back to Portugal to give evidence.

The pregnant wife of Peter did not go back to a country she had visited once.  The 4 children other than Aoife did not go back.  That includes the kid aged 4 and the kid aged 6.

Mary, wife of Martin, did not go back to Portugal.  I'd guess that she was looking after kids, but frankly, I don't care.

It does not stink.  It makes perfect sense.

As to whether SY has tried to get more info from the Smiths, that I can only guess at.

[DCI]

The 3 went back to Portugal to give evidence.

The pregnant wife of Peter did not go back to a country she had visited once.  The 4 children other than Aoife did not go back.  That includes the kid aged 4 and the kid aged 6.

Mary, wife of Martin, did not go back to Portugal.  I'd guess that she was looking after kids, but frankly, I don't care.

It does not stink.  It makes perfect sense.

As to whether SY has tried to get more info from the Smiths, that I can only guess at.

There was still a boy older than Aofie. Why didn't Mary want to make another statement? They didn't need to go back to Portugal to give statements.

[Brietta]

And yet - like Summers and Swan - you know nothing of this evidence.

I wonder how long it will be before you turn on this investigation.

You will, sooner or later.

What an extraordinary post!

Why do you suppose SY should run the details of the evidence they are working with past me and Summers and Swann on any live investigation??

[ShiningInLuz]

But you can be sure some sado will have done - walked it even and taken photographs.

Not the short route! 

I did check to see if the Tannerman sighting and the Smithman sighting matched up.  So I tried going east as per Tannerman, then I nipped up north between blocks 2 and 3 (opposite block 6).  There is a pedestrian walkway with high walls on either side, high enough that a person in it is completely hidden from 5A, so it seemed like a good choice.

At the north end of this, I went left (west) along the front of block 3 to Rua Primeiro de Maio, and crossed it into Rua do Cemitério and headed past on old villa to a walkway that runs down the east side of Estrela da Luz.  (That walkway is not shown properly on Google maps).  I then headed directly south to the Smithman location.

Basically, I tacked on perhaps 150m on top of the shortest route.

I was surprised to find it took 4 to 5 minutes at a normal walking pace.

You might get photos on my next jaunt.  The photos are important.

[Brietta]

That was a job for the dogs back in 2007 which didn't happen. That route should have been searched.

During the more recent SY excavations on the mound residents of Luz who had participated in the original searches were adamant on camera that the mound area had been searched when Madeleine went missing.

[pathfinder73]

During the more recent SY excavations on the mound residents of Luz who had participated in the original searches were adamant on camera that the mound area had been searched when Madeleine went missing.

It's a shame Smithman was seen going in the opposite direction towards the church then innit 

[Brietta]

It's a shame Smithman was seen going in the opposite direction towards the church then innit 

You mean they didn't search that area too, or the beach?  How very remiss.

Now if only the Smiths had remembered that the evening before had not been a dream and mentioned their sighting to the PJ the following day ... a more focused search could indeed have taken place.

[DCI]

What are you going on about? 26 May 2007 statements.

Yes and the Tapas Timeline was given on the 4th May 2007. Over 3 weeks before the Smiths made any statements.

[ShiningInLuz]

There was still a boy older than Aofie. Why didn't Mary want to make another statement? They didn't need to go back to Portugal to give statements.

The PJ got 3 people back to Portugal to give statements and the best bit was taking them back to the street of the sighting, as that photo reconstruction disagrees with the statements.

There was a boy older than Aoife, but it is not within PJ powers to order him or Mary to go to Portugal.  If the Leicestershire police thought there was more required on this, they should have got the Irish police to carry this out.  So, neither the PJ not the Brit police thought this was required.

Mary never made a statement.  Your comment about her not wanting to make another statement is accurate, but she did not make a statement in the first place.  3 Smiths went back to Portugal, 3 gave statements, 3 are depicted in the photo reconstruction.  Mary is not one of the 3.

[DCI]

The PJ got 3 people back to Portugal to give statements and the best bit was taking them back to the street of the sighting, as that photo reconstruction disagrees with the statements.

There was a boy older than Aoife, but it is not within PJ powers to order him or Mary to go to Portugal.  If the Leicestershire police thought there was more required on this, they should have got the Irish police to carry this out.  So, neither the PJ not the Brit police thought this was required.

Mary never made a statement.  Your comment about her not wanting to make another statement is accurate, but she did not make a statement in the first place.  3 Smiths went back to Portugal, 3 gave statements, 3 are depicted in the photo reconstruction.  Mary is not one of the 3.

Yes I know who went back to Portugal.


Did  the Irish police lie then?

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCannI took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

[ShiningInLuz]

Yes I know who went back to Portugal.


Did  the Irish police lie then?

Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough

Re – Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCannI took an additional statement from Mr Smith as requested. His wife does not want to make another statement. I showed him the video clip and he stated that it was not the clip that alerted him but the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007.

No.  Like many a police person in this case they got it wrong.  As I said in my first reply, I agree that these words are in the file.  They are simply wrong, given that she had not made a previous statement.

[Eleanor]

 
HARD EVIDENCE.  I am not seeing any of that at the moment. So stand by for deletions.

[faithlilly]

HARD EVIDENCE.  I am not seeing any of that at the moment. So stand by for deletions.

Once we get beyond the fact that Madeleine is missing there is none.