Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[pathfinder73]

that must be why he opened the window

Yeah well fat smelly man wouldn't fit through it and he must have tidied the bed after when they were all coming and going outside. A miracle nobody noticed that open window and shutters when Jane and Russell had gone through the car park only minutes before. How extraordinary!

[Angelo222]

Yeah well fat smelly man wouldn't fit through it and he must have tidied the bed after when they were all coming and going outside. A miracle nobody noticed that open window and shutters when Jane and Russell had gone through the car park only minutes before. How extraordinary!

What's extraordinary is that despite the wild claims of constant checking Madeleine could cry for over an hour and not one of the tapas group heard her distress?

Maybe someone felt sorry for her.

[ShiningInLuz]

According to Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter at the Telegraph -
"In the eight years since Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment in Portugal, myriad theories about what happened to her have taken root, but only one fact remains uncontested: that she was reported missing at 10.14pm on the evening of Thursday, May 3, 2007.

It was at that point, when police were called, that the clock started ticking on the biggest missing persons investigation for decades..."

Mr Rayner is of the mind that the single thing we can rely on is that the police were called at 10.14.

Presumably 10.14 is a typo, albeit a typo that has run for months.

There are other errors in the article.

What this tells us is something about how good or bad media reporting is.  Caveat emptor, with knobs on for Internet articles. 

It brings to mind two reporters from the Mirror reporting that of the 44 (sic) hairs found, 432 were human, and going on to state that Madeleine disappeared from block 6, illustrated by a photo of the rear of block 6.

[John]

There was a discussion a short while back when it was shown that numerous young children and even toddlers have managed to escape the confines of their own home, some with tragic consequences.  So the facts speak for themselves,  woke and wandered has much sense and credence and especially so as Madeleine was almost four years of age.  Had she got out there are several possibilities as to what happened to her.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6162.msg229039#msg229039

[lordpookles]

Assuming the wake and wandered theory is possible. Why were the shutters open and if so by whom?

[John]

Assuming the wake and wandered theory is possible. Why were the shutters open and if so by whom?

Forensics never found any indications that they were opened or tampered with by an intruder.

[pathfinder73]

Monday 30 April 2007 - 15 minutes (15.15-15.30)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html

[sadie]

There was a discussion a short while back when it was shown that numerous young children and even toddlers have managed to escape the confines of their own home, some with tragic consequences.  So the facts speak for themselves,  woke and wandered has much sense and credence and especially so as Madeleine was almost four years of age.  Had she got out there are several possibilities as to what happened to her.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6162.msg229039#msg229039

It has been thoroughly discussed several times, John, and I dont accept that there is any credence to the woke and wanderd scenario.

BTW, I delve extra ordinarily deep and work my own sources out.  Nobody feeds me.

[G-Unit]

There was a discussion a short while back when it was shown that numerous young children and even toddlers have managed to escape the confines of their own home, some with tragic consequences.  So the facts speak for themselves,  woke and wandered has much sense and credence and especially so as Madeleine was almost four years of age.

We also have Fiona Paynes testimony that Kate thought it was quite feasible that Madeleine would be able to exit the apartment;

she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

Monday 30 April 2007 - 15 minutes (15.15-15.30)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id351.html

Thanks, pathfinder. I don't know what day it is lol

[Angelo222]

It has been thoroughly discussed several times, John, and I dont accept that there is any credence to the woke and wanderd scenario.

BTW, I delve extra ordinarily deep and work my own sources out.  Nobody feeds me.

It has much more credence than your sightings in Morocco which were nothing more than another hoax.  Let's face it Sadie, your little girls seen in the hills has well exceeded its sell by date.

Is it not the case that if it is determined that Madeleine did get out and fell into danger then the onus would shift back to her parents.   

[Brietta]

It has much more credence than your sightings in Morocco which were nothing more than another hoax.  Let's face it Sadie, your little girls seen in the hills has well exceeded its sell by date.

Is it not the case that if it is determined that Madeleine did get out and fell into danger then the onus would shift back to her parents.   

I'm not sure if it is just as simple as that to dismiss the Moroccan sightings out of hand.  Nor is it past its sell by date to wonder exactly the purpose of the Hewlitt expedition to the locale.
I don't think that was ever officially investigated at the time.

[Angelo222]

I'm not sure if it is just as simple as that to dismiss the Moroccan sightings out of hand.  Nor is it past its sell by date to wonder exactly the purpose of the Hewlitt expedition to the locale.
I don't think that was ever officially investigated at the time.

It was investigated thoroughly as one would expect.  How many more peasant and gypsy families in Morocco, Romania and Ireland must suffer before this farce ends?

[Benice]

No. If you look at the pages I posted (on the link to a previous thread), they put all the hairs collected in each area into an envelope.

Sorry Carana - I didn't spot the the link in your other post.      I'm surprised that individual items of evidence - which I presume were destined for DNA analysis would not be put into separate bags.

 

[DCI]

Seems someone got the creche records wrong.

Diagram of Events 58
Day 30-04-2007



Gerald McCann

Kids Club

ROUTINE yesterday she received Madeleine at 09.10, Madeleine was handed over by her father. She looked after Madeleine from Sunday 29-04-2007 daily and until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 – 9.10.00

Kate Marie Healy

Kids Club

ROUTINE she handed Madeleine over to her mother at 12.25. She looked after Madeleine from Sunday 29-04-2007, daily and until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 12.25.00

Kids Club
ROUTINE she received Madeleine again from her mother at 14.50. She looked after Madeleine daily from Sunday 29-04-2007 until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 14.50.00

Kids Club
ROUTINE she handed Madeleine over at 17.30. She looked after Madeleine daily from Sunday 29-04-2007 until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 17.30.00

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm#58


Nothing mentioned in the Anomalies re the 30th April.


 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE_ANOMALIES.htm