Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[Angelo222]

Cheers Carana.  Seems there have been a lot of silly mistakes throughout this debacle.

[G-Unit]

Seems someone got the creche records wrong.

Diagram of Events 58
Day 30-04-2007



Gerald McCann

Kids Club

ROUTINE yesterday she received Madeleine at 09.10, Madeleine was handed over by her father. She looked after Madeleine from Sunday 29-04-2007 daily and until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 – 9.10.00

Kate Marie Healy

Kids Club

ROUTINE she handed Madeleine over to her mother at 12.25. She looked after Madeleine from Sunday 29-04-2007, daily and until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 12.25.00

Kids Club
ROUTINE she received Madeleine again from her mother at 14.50. She looked after Madeleine daily from Sunday 29-04-2007 until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 14.50.00

Kids Club
ROUTINE she handed Madeleine over at 17.30. She looked after Madeleine daily from Sunday 29-04-2007 until yesterday, always for the same hours.
Catriona Baker page 88
30-04-2007 17.30.00

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE.htm#58


Nothing mentioned in the Anomalies re the 30th April.


 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CRECHE_ANOMALIES.htm

Strange. The creche time sheets are a mess, perhaps they chose to go by the statements instead? No explanation of that though.

[Benice]

The twins sheets had disappeared as well. You won't find nothing in Madeleine about that one. It would be interesting to know the time this was taken?



I'd suggested putting the twins up in our apartment, erm, Emma, who was there, had arranged some of the MARK WARNER Nannies to get some extra cots and more bedding, erm, and we set up the cots in our living room and a bed for Kate and Gerry as well, not that they used it, but, erm, and then I think, I think they were Policemen, I can't remember who carried up Sean and Amelie. Erm, and we sat on the sofa, me and Kate with the twins asleep on us for a while, erm, and they didn't wake up and, again, that was quite strange, even in the transfer and, and being handled by people that weren't their parents, they didn't, they didn't wake up. (FP)

The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain - the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there. (TOTL)

Several people saw the twins asleep, including a  policeman IIRC.    The twins were removed during the middle of the night - I imagine they were picked up wrapped in their cot sheets /blankets to guard against the cold outside on the journey to the Payne's appartment.   

For Amaral to claim there is no proof that the twins were asleep in their cots is preposterous and completely untrue.     IMO he is trying to insinuate something sinister to his readers -  where nothing sinister exists.    Par for the course throughout his book imo.      The police could have picked the bedding up the next morning - or better still not allowed it to be taken in the first place - had they done their job properly.  i.e. Nothing should have been  removed from the crime scene until after the forensics bods had finished in there.

 

[DCI]

Strange. The creche sheets are a mess, perhaps they chose to go by the statements instead? No explanation of that though.

It is isn't it. If you look at the one you posted, othe children were not picked up that day. Not named McCann though!

[jassi]

Strange. The creche sheets are a mess, perhaps they chose to go by the statements instead? No explanation of that though.

I would have thought a contemporary record more reliable that a later recollection.

[Brietta]

It was investigated thoroughly as one would expect.  How many more peasant and gypsy families in Morocco, Romania and Ireland must suffer before this farce ends?

Who investigated it?

[Alice Purjorick]

Who investigated it?

Metodo3?
A CRACK new team of private eyes are now hunting missing Maddie McCann - and they are convinced she was snatched TO ORDER by a paedophile gang then SMUGGLED out to Morocco.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id76.html

[Carana]

Cheers Carana.  Seems there have been a lot of silly mistakes throughout this debacle.

Hopefully, the two police forces have been able to work out what required further investigation and have since done so.

[Angelo222]

Who investigated it?

A clue!  It happened in Morocco.  As for Hewlett, had he abducted a little girl and hidden her in his lorry dont you think the rest of his numerous kids would have seen her?

Surely you don't really believe someone would go to the bother of abducting a kid in Portugal only to let her go for a leisurely countryside stroll in some Morocco backwater?  Its too daft for words.

[faithlilly]

A clue!  It happened in Morocco.  As for Hewlett, had he abducted a little girl and hidden her in his lorry dont you think the rest of his numerous kids would have seen her?

Surely you don't really believe someone would go to the bother of abducting a kid in Portugal only to let her go for a leisurely countryside stroll in some Morocco backwater?  Its too daft for words.

That's the thing with this case Angelo, to paraphrase Alice, it helps if you believe seven ridiculous things before breakfast !

[Mr Gray]

Assuming the wake and wandered theory is possible. Why were the shutters open and if so by whom?

If the police believe the parents as it appears they do....then the open window indicates an intruder

[Brietta]

A clue!  It happened in Morocco.  As for Hewlett, had he abducted a little girl and hidden her in his lorry dont you think the rest of his numerous kids would have seen her?

Surely you don't really believe someone would go to the bother of abducting a kid in Portugal only to let her go for a leisurely countryside stroll in some Morocco backwater?  Its too daft for words.

I know a London journalist 'checked it out' ... I've seen the photographs ... so that will be all right, then?

I have no idea what a pervert like Hewlett might have been capable of ... and his numerous kids may have been too busy hanging on to their obviously precarious position in the vehicle to pay too much attention to the presence of another child.

I don't think Hewlett was the type of parent that the kids would go against in any way whatsoever and he is certainly a man who should have been thoroughly investigated, particularly when his proximity to Praia da Luz is considered.

[Alice Purjorick]

I know a London journalist 'checked it out' ... I've seen the photographs ... so that will be all right, then?

I have no idea what a pervert like Hewlett might have been capable of ... and his numerous kids may have been too busy hanging on to their obviously precarious position in the vehicle to pay too much attention to the presence of another child.

I don't think Hewlett was the type of parent that the kids would go against in any way whatsoever and he is certainly a man who should have been thoroughly investigated, particularly when his proximity to Praia da Luz is considered.

I thought all this stuff was investigated by M-3 & AIG? Both class acts right out of the top drawer.

[G-Unit]

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I wonder if it was the police or the interpreters taking shortcuts? In the McCann's first statements their description of Madeleine is almost identical.
Kate;
Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger
Gerald;
As regards personality, the child was extrovert, very active, talkative, alert with an easy relationship with other children. He also says that she would never go with a stranger.

[DCI]

I wonder if it was the police or the interpreters taking shortcuts? In the McCann's first statements their description of Madeleine is almost identical.
Kate;
Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger
Gerald;
As regards personality, the child was extrovert, very active, talkative, alert with an easy relationship with other children. He also says that she would never go with a stranger.

I'd say idolitis on behalf of whoever wrote the statements up. You can't tell me any two people would use the exact same words.