Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[pathfinder73]

Tried to make Kate confess. So why aren't these interviews in the files?

This was a meeting. They had regular meetings with Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação.

"We were taken to an upstairs room at the police station where we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação. Our interpreter this time was a police officer, not Proconsul Angela Morado, as was usually the case. The whole demeanour of Neves and Encarnação was different. They looked serious and cold."

[DCI]

This was a meeting. They had regular meetings with Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação.

"We were taken to an upstairs room at the police station where we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação. Our interpreter this time was a police officer, not Proconsul Angela Morado, as was usually the case. The whole demeanour of Neves and Encarnação was different. They looked serious and cold."

Kate then goes on how they kept pushing her and pushing and how frightened she was and how alone she was and how she wanted Gerry, who by the way was made to leave the room. She tells of how she felt bullied by what they were saying and how she felt they wanted her to confess to a crime she did not commit.

She then tells how it was Gerry’s turn next and even though Gerry was calmer, it still upset him and had shaken him, to the point where he was in tears pleading with these two men if they had evidence that their daughter was dead.

If you go through the files, there is NO recollection of these ‘informal’ meetings anywhere. The questions that Kate and Gerry McCann were being asked on the 8th August 2007 were incriminating and they should have been asked under the status of Kate and Gerry being argudios.  They were not.

There is no record of any witness statements referring to these meetings in the Police files either.

[pathfinder73]

Kate then goes on how they kept pushing her and pushing and how frightened she was and how alone she was and how she wanted Gerry, who by the way was made to leave the room. She tells of how she felt bullied by what they were saying and how she felt they wanted her to confess to a crime she did not commit.

She then tells how it was Gerry’s turn next and even though Gerry was calmer, it still upset him and had shaken him, to the point where he was in tears pleading with these two men if they had evidence that their daughter was dead.

If you go through the files, there is NO recollection of these ‘informal’ meetings anywhere. The questions that Kate and Gerry McCann were being asked on the 8th August 2007 were incriminating and they should have been asked under the status of Kate and Gerry being argudios.  They were not.

There is no record of any witness statements referring to these meetings in the Police files either.

Boo hoo  That's what the police do if they don't believe you!

[DCI]

Boo hoo  That's what the police do if they don't believe you!

Yes they use underhanded tactics. That's why there's no record!

[faithlilly]

Yes they use underhanded tactics. That's why there's no record!

So there's no record of the meetings in the files, probably because they weren't officially sanctioned but Kate verifies they happened. Of course there's no record in the files of Tanner identifying Murat, a police action that also wasn't official sanctioned. The point being, as we can see from Kate's verification, just because it isn't in the files doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Anna]

I'll tell you what happened on 8 August. They didn't believe their story.

"Neves stated bluntly that they didn’t believe my version of events."

Why isn't this informal? interview, in the files I wonder.

This is an excerpt of the story concerning your quote, in case anyone who insists on cites is interested...... with a Link

WEDNESDAY AUGUST 8. At the police station we were greeted by Luís Neves and Guilhermino Encarnação, director of the Algarve Policia Judiciária.

There had been a shift in the investigation, they said. They had always been optimistic Madeleine was alive, but things had changed.

Tell us about that night, they said. Tell us everything that happened after the children went to bed. I gave them every detail I could remember, as I had before.


Sniffer search ... dogs are taken around the McCanns' holiday apartment

This time they responded by just staring at me, shaking their heads.

Neves stated bluntly they didn't believe my version of events. It "didn't fit" with what they knew.

Didn't fit? What did they know? I began to wail hysterically, drawing breath in desperate gasps.

They proposed that when I'd put Madeleine to bed that night, it wasn't actually the last time I'd seen her. But it was. It was! I felt I was being bullied, and I suppose I was. I assume these tactics were deliberate - knock her off balance by telling her that her daughter is dead and get her to confess.

On and on it went. They tried to convince me I'd had a blackout - "a loss of memory episode", I think they called it.

My denials, answers and pleas fell on deaf ears. This was their theory and they wanted to shoehorn me into it, end of story.

At last they seemed to decide that the interview was over. Then it was Gerry's turn. Through his tears he pleaded with the two men: "Do you have evidence that Madeleine is dead? We're her parents. You have to tell us."

"It's coming," Neves told him. "It's coming!"

Gerry wanted to know if the case had now become a murder inquiry. The answer was indirect: "You can probably guess that from our lack of response."


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post186821.html#p186821

[pathfinder73]

Yes they use underhanded tactics. That's why there's no record!

There may be a record of it. But what do you think they're gonna say? "We don't believe you but who cares you can go." 

[Miss Taken Identity]

But I have...it seems SY agree with me too...it's just you are another who doesn't understand what evidence means

Davel you constantly make that claim... SY are reviewing a case, in particular , they will look at the stranger 'abduction theory'...Just one of many theories. In this theory  the parents would not be suspects because...well because they knew Maddie!! DUH

[Mr Gray]

Davel you constantly make that claim... SY are reviewing a case, in particular , they will look at the stranger 'abduction theory'...Just one of many theories. In this theory  the parents would not be suspects because...well because they knew Maddie!! DUH

If you think SY have not looks at the evidence against the parents then you are particularly dim

[Gene Genie]

Other than abduction, what other reasons can there be for a missing child?

Kidnap for ransom
Woke and wandered
Given away

[Brietta]

One of the main reasons for the lack of evidence in Madeleine McCann's case is the failure to secure the crime scene and the botched forensic examination which took place.

Sceptics have tried to turn logic on its head and blame the victims for the failure to secure the crime scene which in the real world is the sole responsibility of the police.

Madeleine McCann was let down by the failures in forensics and her parents have been paying the price for those failures in blogs, FB pages, twitter and videos ever since.


**snip

The most important aspect of evidence collection and preservation is protecting the crime scene.

This is to keep the pertinent evidence uncontaminated until it can be recorded and collected.

The successful prosecution of a case can hinge on the state of the physical evidence at the time it is collected.

The protection of the scene begins with the arrival of the first police officer at the scene and ends when the scene is released from police custody.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/evidenc1.html

[pathfinder73]

One of the main reasons for the lack of evidence in Madeleine McCann's case is the failure to secure the crime scene and the botched forensic examination which took place.

Sceptics have tried to turn logic on its head and blame the victims for the failure to secure the crime scene which in the real world is the sole responsibility of the police.

Madeleine McCann was let down by the failures in forensics and her parents have been paying the price for those failures in blogs, FB pages, twitter and videos ever since.


**snip

The most important aspect of evidence collection and preservation is protecting the crime scene.

This is to keep the pertinent evidence uncontaminated until it can be recorded and collected.

The successful prosecution of a case can hinge on the state of the physical evidence at the time it is collected.

The protection of the scene begins with the arrival of the first police officer at the scene and ends when the scene is released from police custody.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/evidenc1.html

The crime scene was tampered with because the police saw no open window or raised shutters where allegedly the missing child passed through. Not even a glove mark found. They don't wear gloves or leave no trace. That doesn't look good in the eyes of the police.

[DCI]

The crime scene was tampered with because the police saw no open window or raised shutters where allegedly the missing child passed through. Not even a glove mark found. They don't wear gloves or leave no trace. That doesn't look good in the eyes of the police.

No not even the ungloved, woman forensic fingerprinters, fingerprints.



Is it any wonder nothing was found. Their forensic team were a disgrace.

[pathfinder73]

No not even the ungloved, woman forensic fingerprinters, fingerprints.



Is it any wonder nothing was found. Their forensic team were a disgrace.

They did find finger prints from somebody.

[Carana]

No not even the ungloved, woman forensic fingerprinters, fingerprints.



Is it any wonder nothing was found. Their forensic team were a disgrace.

I feel a bit sorry for this lady.

Maybe she didn't have access to two gloves and was trying to do her best in the circumstances?

Perhaps no one had told her that it in the case of only one available glove that it might be better to use the glove on the hand to swab the potential evidence area rather than using it to hold the pot of powder?

How much training were these people given?