Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[DCI]

They did find finger prints from somebody.

Yes the convenient ones. Odd Gerry's weren't found or Diane's, they touched the shutters. Don't know if that woman was a fingerprint specialist or painter.

[DCI]

I feel a bit sorry for this lady.

Maybe she didn't have access to two gloves and was trying to do her best in the circumstances?

Perhaps no one had told her that it in the case of only one available glove that it might be better to use the glove on the hand to swab the potential evidence area rather than using it to hold the pot of powder?

How much training were these people given?

Why?

LOL, Seems no one told her to wear protect clothing either.
The other glove had a hole in it.

I wonder if that was Sylvia Baptista, she had most jobs that night. &%+((£

[Lyall]

I feel a bit sorry for this lady.

Maybe she didn't have access to two gloves and was trying to do her best in the circumstances?

Perhaps no one had told her that it in the case of only one available glove that it might be better to use the glove on the hand to swab the potential evidence area rather than using it to hold the pot of powder?

How much training were these people given?

&%+((£ Maybe as much as Operation Oxborough's personnel were.

(All police in every country have made and continue to make mistakes.)

[pathfinder73]

Yes the convenient ones. Odd Gerry's weren't found or Diane's, they touched the shutters. Don't know if that woman was a fingerprint specialist or painter.

As nobody saw them raised then Gerry can say anything he likes if he wanted. There's no independent witness to back up that he touched the shutters (oops Amy apparently!). This was the crime scene.

Amazingly Amy saw them raised again after Dianne saw them in the lower position as below and couldn't lift them. How that is possible then please let me know. Did they keep moving them up and down?

[ShiningInLuz]

No not even the ungloved, woman forensic fingerprinters, fingerprints.



Is it any wonder nothing was found. Their forensic team were a disgrace.

The woman is Irene Trovão.  Thanks for the photo.  I have only seen the video so far.

Two prints on the shutter, whether finger or palm-print.

We know Gerry had been out trying to raise the shutters (succeeded) and Dianne Webster had been out trying to raise the shutters (failed).  Both of these interferences with the crime scene occurred before the GNR arrived.

Neither print was good enough to be matched to anything. Possibly Gerry/Dianne, possibly someone else, but because of Gerry/Dianne, we don't know.

It is indeed a pity that people who insist they said abduction from the earliest moment allowed so much trashing of evidence in/around 5A before the police arrived on the scene.  Were the police expected to be on the scene to secure it before they were called?

[ShiningInLuz]

As nobody saw them raised then Gerry can say anything he likes if he wanted. There's no independent witness to back up that he touched the shutters (oops Amy apparently!). This was the crime scene.

Amazingly Amy saw them raised again after Dianne saw them in the lower position as below and couldn't lift them. How that is possible then please let me know. Did they keep moving them up and down?

My bold on the comment above. That bit is bugging me.  Why were the shutters slightly raised when the PJ took photos on early 4 May 2007?

[pathfinder73]

My bold on the comment above. That bit is bugging me.  Why were the shutters slightly raised when the PJ took photos on early 4 May 2007?

Somebody had moved them to be in that position but the police would be more interested as to why they weren't in the position the parents said they were found in. But more importantly the father should be outside searching for his daughter not examining shutters and contaminating vital evidence  &%+((£

Thumb marks according to Dispatches.

[misty]

Somebody had moved them to be in that position but the police would be more interested as to why they weren't in the position the parents said they were found in. But more importantly the father should be outside searching for his daughter not examining shutters and contaminating vital evidence  &%+((£

Thumb marks according to Dispatches.

As a parent, it was necessary for Gerry to establish whether it was possible to open the shutters from the outside. If that couldn't be done, then it increased the likelihood that Madeleine could have opened the window & shutters from the inside, climbed out & wandered off.

I wonder why the wicker chair was not forensically examined? There would have been plenty of fibres stuck to it.

[Carana]

An amazing amount of invisible lichen on that window sill...

[Carana]

As a parent, it was necessary for Gerry to establish whether it was possible to open the shutters from the outside. If that couldn't be done, then it increased the likelihood that Madeleine could have opened the window & shutters from the inside, climbed out & wandered off.

I wonder why the wicker chair was not forensically examined? There would have been plenty of fibres stuck to it.

The street side of the window doesn't seem to have been dusted, either, for some reason.

[Brietta]

The woman is Irene Trovão.  Thanks for the photo.  I have only seen the video so far.

Two prints on the shutter, whether finger or palm-print.

We know Gerry had been out trying to raise the shutters (succeeded) and Dianne Webster had been out trying to raise the shutters (failed).  Both of these interferences with the crime scene occurred before the GNR arrived.

Neither print was good enough to be matched to anything. Possibly Gerry/Dianne, possibly someone else, but because of Gerry/Dianne, we don't know.

It is indeed a pity that people who insist they said abduction from the earliest moment allowed so much trashing of evidence in/around 5A before the police arrived on the scene.  Were the police expected to be on the scene to secure it before they were called?

Absolutely not.

However when they did eventually arrive they were no less guilty of compromising the scene than were the civilians.

[pathfinder73]

As a parent, it was necessary for Gerry to establish whether it was possible to open the shutters from the outside. If that couldn't be done, then it increased the likelihood that Madeleine could have opened the window & shutters from the inside, climbed out & wandered off.

I wonder why the wicker chair was not forensically examined? There would have been plenty of fibres stuck to it.

That post doesn't make sense. They knew straight away it couldn't be her. No boot marks found on bed or chair. You search for your child not buts when she could be close by!

[Brietta]

An amazing amount of invisible lichen on that window sill...

If only the cloak of invisibility had been raised even for five minutes ... who knows what the outcome may have been.

[Brietta]

The street side of the window doesn't seem to have been dusted, either, for some reason.

Possibly because they had run out of the fingerprint powder which was mixed with hair on the floors of the apartment and ...

**snip
On the single bed opposite to that from which the child disappeared, despite it being impregnated the red-coloured chemical product referred to,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

Seems the powders were being thrown about in a similar fashion to the Hindu Festival of Colours.

[misty]

The street side of the window doesn't seem to have been dusted, either, for some reason.

I didn't realise that. Wonder who was responsible for cleaning the exterior window panes of the MW apartments?