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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #435 on: April 24, 2015, 09:23:43 AM »
The McCanns could not take the children themselves.  That would involve discussing the case with hospital staff and would be breaking the secrecy laws.

So if they had demanded an Ambulance for the children during the evening and night of  3rd/4th May when Kate McCann was concerned about them the PJ would have refused because of secrecy? Really? I'm speechless!
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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #437 on: April 24, 2015, 09:26:51 AM »
So if they had demanded an Ambulance for the children during the evening and night of  3rd/4th May when Kate McCann was concerned about them the PJ would have refused because of secrecy? Really? I'm speechless!

Yup. It's a pathetic excuse, which doesn't add up or display logic.

Both the Police and the mccanns were at fault.

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #438 on: April 24, 2015, 09:27:09 AM »
So if they had demanded an Ambulance for the children during the evening and night of  3rd/4th May when Kate McCann was concerned about them the PJ would have refused because of secrecy? Really? I'm speechless!
So what do you infer from the fact that the McCanns did not demand an ambulance for their children that nigh?

Offline Benice

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #439 on: April 24, 2015, 09:29:52 AM »
A doctor who has just had a child disappear suspects that her remaining two children may stop breathing due to sedation, so she does.......nothing. She doesn't attempt to rouse them to check if she can wake them. She doesn't ask for an ambulance to be called so they can be observed/tested in hospital. She puts her fingers under their noses now and then and nothing else. Had the twins stopped breathing at some point how on earth could anyone blame the police rather than the doctors? I have seen some wild attempts to justify the actions of these people but that takes the prize!

I can only assume you have no ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and imagine the affect that severe shock, terror and extreme trauma have on people.

Your expectations that people should be thinking logically and be perfectly rational when they have just been  plunged into every parents's worst nightmare is totally unrealistic. IMO.



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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #440 on: April 24, 2015, 09:30:43 AM »
I can only assume you have no ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and imagine the affect that severe shock, terror and extreme trauma have on people.

Your expectations that people should be thinking logically and be perfectly rational when they have just been  plunged into every parents's worst nightmare is totally unrealistic. IMO.

and in the days and months afterward, what did they do about it ?

Offline Benice

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #441 on: April 24, 2015, 09:31:29 AM »
So if they had demanded an Ambulance for the children during the evening and night of  3rd/4th May when Kate McCann was concerned about them the PJ would have refused because of secrecy? Really? I'm speechless!

I was referring to the suggestion that they could have independently taken their children to hospital for testing.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #442 on: April 24, 2015, 09:33:59 AM »
So if they had demanded an Ambulance for the children during the evening and night of  3rd/4th May when Kate McCann was concerned about them the PJ would have refused because of secrecy? Really? I'm speechless!

You apparently missed Benice's post quoting from the Amaral book ...

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From the start, the way the children slept had seemed suspicious to us and we wanted to have screening tests carried out: nevertheless, faced with the media coverage of the case, we had put this off, worried about exposing the parents to trial by the public. This was a mistake.''
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If it 'seemed suspicious' why the delay?  These were the professionals who were supposed to be in charge of the operation.  The failures are their failure's, no-one else's.

They were the ones responsible for preserving the crime scene; they were the ones responsible for collecting forensic evidence; they were responsible for the welfare of the children.

Their ineptitude has fuelled the various campaigns directed against the victims of the crime.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #443 on: April 24, 2015, 09:38:23 AM »
You apparently missed Benice's post quoting from the Amaral book ...

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From the start, the way the children slept had seemed suspicious to us and we wanted to have screening tests carried out: nevertheless, faced with the media coverage of the case, we had put this off, worried about exposing the parents to trial by the public. This was a mistake.''
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If it 'seemed suspicious' why the delay?  These were the professionals who were supposed to be in charge of the operation.  The failures are their failure's, no-one else's.

They were the ones responsible for preserving the crime scene; they were the ones responsible for collecting forensic evidence; they were responsible for the welfare of the children.

Their ineptitude has fuelled the various campaigns directed against the victims of the crime.


The failures and ineptitude start in this case with the mccanns.

Now remind me , when precisely were the police called to the crime scene, and what happened to the crime scene in the intervening time.

All that is observant in your posts, is the attack on the Portuguese, a chief characterisitc of the mccanns and their backers, in the old adage 'of the best form of defense, is to attack'.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #444 on: April 24, 2015, 09:44:58 AM »
Indeed they should ... maybe even run them to the local hospital themselves ... I'm sure I can't think of anything else which might be preoccupying them ~ wait a minute though, wasn't their three year old daughter missing???

The police were in charge ... the police should have taken the appropriate action ... however, why miss the opportunity to metaphorically beat the McCann's up at any juncture ... don't forget they did go out and leave their children unattended.

There, that will save you the bother of 'reminding' us ... but I'm sure you won't let that hinder you.

But they can tell a friend to cancel a supermarket delivery back home and receive new mobiles instead of demanding to test the twins. Yes it all makes sense NOT!
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #445 on: April 24, 2015, 09:48:23 AM »
So what do you infer from the fact that the McCanns did not demand an ambulance for their children that nigh?

That as trained clinicians they were aware nothing was untoward?
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stephen25000

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Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #446 on: April 24, 2015, 09:49:41 AM »
That as trained clinicians they were aware nothing was untoward?


Unless of course...........................

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #447 on: April 24, 2015, 09:55:27 AM »
A vital bit missed during medical training? What to do if an overdose is suspected;

if they appear unconscious, try to get a response from them (eg: call their name).
If you can’t get a response put them in the recovery position and call an ambulance.
Commence first-aid. Emergency operators can give CPR instructions.
Keep an eye on them. People can go in and out of consciousness.
http://www.overdoseday.com/facts-stats/overdose-basics/
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #448 on: April 24, 2015, 10:01:02 AM »

The failures and ineptitude start in this case with the mccanns.

Now remind me , when precisely were the police called to the crime scene, and what happened to the crime scene in the intervening time.

All that is observant in your posts, is the attack on the Portuguese, a chief characterisitc of the mccanns and their backers, in the old adage 'of the best form of defense, is to attack'.

I do wish you would get off your hobby horse occasionally and see things for what they are.

That I criticise what I see as the incompetence of the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's case, which can be laid squarely at the door of the co-ordinator is my privilege.

That I think the co-ordinator was entirely out of his depth and should not have been tasked with an investigation his lack of experience doomed to failure, is again my privilege to express an opinion on.

The initial collection of forensic evidence was botched and is noted as such in the co-ordinator's book ... this led to the destruction of trace evidence which might have indicated an intruder.

As always you condone the investigative failures which truly allowed whoever was responsible for vanishing Madeleine McCann off the hook.
Almost as preposterous as the story still doing the rounds among the intellectually challenged of the washing of the curtains etc. etc.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Lace

Re: Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?
« Reply #449 on: April 24, 2015, 10:01:26 AM »
A vital bit missed during medical training? What to do if an overdose is suspected;

if they appear unconscious, try to get a response from them (eg: call their name).
If you can’t get a response put them in the recovery position and call an ambulance.
Commence first-aid. Emergency operators can give CPR instructions.
Keep an eye on them. People can go in and out of consciousness.
http://www.overdoseday.com/facts-stats/overdose-basics/

An overdose,  of what?

Kate McCann did the only thing she was able to do she told the police.    Whether they took any notice of her we don't know,   she was after all completely traumatised and not behaving in a rational manner.   Thinking that Madeleine had merely wandered,   I wonder if they thought Kate was being a bit hysterical.

Who are we to know what the McCann's were able to do on that night.

Fiona says that Kate was worried about the twins,  but then goes on to say 'but they were fine'   no doubt she was reassuring Kate that they were fine.