Is there any hard evidence whatsoever in the Madeleine McCann case?

[pegasus]

Look at the fingerprint at exactly 45:24 (and the same fingerprint in close-up at exactly 45.31).
Ignore the other photos for now.
What can you tell me about this fingerprint?
The crime expert in the video examines this fingerprint photo, and decides from it that KM opened the bedroom window.
Can you spot the fundamental error in that conclusion?
https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s

[misty]

Look at the fingerprint at exactly 45:24 (and the same fingerprint in close-up at exactly 45.31).
Ignore the other photos for now.
What can you tell me about this fingerprint?
The crime expert in the video examines this fingerprint photo, and decides from it that KM opened the bedroom window.
Can you spot the fundamental error in that conclusion?


https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s

Kate would have opened the window onto her own hand - is that what you are saying?

[Anna]

Look at the fingerprint at exactly 45:24 (and the same fingerprint in close-up at exactly 45.31).
Ignore the other photos for now.
What can you tell me about this fingerprint?
The crime expert in the video examines this fingerprint photo, and decides from it that KM opened the bedroom window.
Can you spot the fundamental error in that conclusion?
https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s

Part of the film is very blurred. The photo of the fingerprint...Is I believe from the patio door.

The fingerprint on the window frame looks smudged etc.....

[mercury]

Lets look at the hard evidence that supposedly shows that KM opened the window.
In https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s
what is your assessment of the photograph at exactly 45:24 ?
and again the close-up at exactly 45.31 ?
What is your opinion of this photo?
Convincing hard evidence that KM opened the window?
wrong wrong wrong 
Here's a clue - that print was definitely not made from just inside the bedroom window, and it was definitely not made from just outside the bedroom window. Work that one out.

A fingerprint on a window was not made from the inside or outside? Yup, That's  a bit of a conundrum. Give us a clue please Pegasus.

 &%+((£

[Anna]

The window handle is on the left hand side of the right hand window(central) so when slid open the handle goes to the extreme left of the window frame.
Unless I am mistaken the fingerprints are shown on the side without a handle.

Either way, I cant see why Kate would touch a window to open it. She might touch the window too look out, but that would be the side without a handle.

One of the officers left a print n the balcony door and apparently Kate left one on the window, just another possible mix up.

The non-handle side of the window, would be exposed to anyone looking out of the window and not the side that had a handle.

I will check the file photos again.

The forensic team, took that window out for fingerprinting. Could this have caused confusion?

[pegasus]

A fingerprint on a window was not made from the inside or outside? Yup, That's  a bit of a conundrum. Give us a clue please Pegasus.
 &%+((£

I said that the fingerprint at exactly 45.24 and exactly 45:31 in https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s
"was definitely not made from just inside the bedroom window, and it was definitely not made from just outside the bedroom window".
Actually the person who made that print (at 45.24 and 45:31) made it while standing either in the lounge or on the balcony.
And no it wasn't Mr or Little Ms Tickle.

This is an example of how indisputable hard evidence (a fingerprint) can be grossly misinterpreted by a crime expert to reach a false conclusion.

(edited to correct times)

[Anna]

The fingerprints from Kate and the officer, got confused? Pegasus.
 
Was it simply that the fingerprint taken from the Lounge was thought to be from the children's room?

[pegasus]

(snip) .... The photo of the fingerprint...Is I believe from the patio door.....(snip)

10 out of 10.
Your belief about the fingerprint at 45.24 and 45:31 is correct.
Did you find the proof yet?

The fingerprint is hard solid evidence but its interpretation to falsely accuse KM of opening the bedroomwindow was less solid than a melty marshmallow.

(edited to correct times)

[Anna]

10 out of 10.
Your belief about the fingerprint at 45.24 and 45:31 is correct.
Did you find the proof yet?

The fingerprint is hard solid evidence but its interpretation to falsely accuse KM of opening the bedroomwindow was less solid than a melty marshmallow.

(edited to correct times)

Here it is: Evidence that Kate's fingerprints were on the Balcony (Janela/porta da Sala) door and not the bedroom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

Thank you, Pegasus.

ETA.

Oops!

I got that wrong Kate had prints of 2 of her fingers on the bedroom window.

[pegasus]

Here it is: Evidence that Kate's fingerprints were on the Balcony (Janela/porta da Sala) door and not the bedroom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm

Thank you, Pegasus.

Whose fingerprint? No you have the wrong person. 
The fingerprint at 45.24 and 45:31 in https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s is hard evidence but it is NOT on the bedroom window and is NOT made by KM. The hard forensic evidence (the forensic reports and photos) are correct, but they were then misinterpreted by people who didn't bother reading the forensics reports fully, didn't read the captions on the photos, got the room wrong, got the person wrong, and unjustly arguidaised an honest witness.

[Anna]

Whose fingerprint? No you have the wrong person. 
The fingerprint at 45.24 and 45:31 in https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s is hard evidence but it is NOT on the bedroom window and is NOT made by KM.

No, they were the fingerprints of an officer, apparently. Where is the Bedroom window fingerprints?
I thought they had got in a muddle.
Why are they showing fingerprints that do not belong to Kate on a film showing the bedroom window, when the picture is actually the balcony window?
OK .....I am off back to check the files again.

[DCI]

No, they were the fingerprints of an officer, apparently. Where is the Bedroom window fingerprints?
I thought they had got in a muddle.
Why are they showing fingerprints that do not belong to Kate on a film showing the bedroom window, when the picture is actually the balcony window?
OK .....I am off back to check the files again.

Yes Anna, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.

[Carana]

Whose fingerprint? No you have the wrong person. 
The fingerprint at 45.24 and 45:31 in https://youtu.be/xCKceTe1J20?t=45m19s is hard evidence but it is NOT on the bedroom window and is NOT made by KM. The hard forensic evidence (the forensic reports and photos) are correct, but they were then misinterpreted by people who didn't bother reading the forensics reports fully, didn't read the captions on the photos, got the room wrong, got the person wrong, and unjustly arguidaised an honest witness.

Prints of Kate's 2 fingers were found on the inside window of the children's bedroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_884a.jpg

However, I agree that the still taken in that docu drama were from the living-room.

I always wondered where Amaral got the idea that her prints indicated an "opening position". There is nothing in the report on Kate's prints that says any such thing... Did he mix up her prints on the inside of the window with the ones (not hers) in the living-room?

[Anna]

Yes Anna, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.

Thanks DCI.
What a muddle up there was. I will go through the files again later and try and make sense of it.
That film has definitely got it all wrong.

[DCI]

Thanks DCI.
What a muddle up there was. I will go through the files again later and try and make sense of it.
That film has definitely got it all wrong.

Was it a deliberate muddle, though, Anna?

As Pegusus said

"The hard forensic evidence (the forensic reports and photos) are correct, but they were then misinterpreted by people who didn't bother reading the forensics reports fully, didn't read the captions on the photos, got the room wrong, got the person wrong, and unjustly arguidaised an honest witness."