The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.

[Alfred R Jones]

You said it, not me   

OK, let's agree that Gerry's very stupid.  How has he gotten away with so much for so long then?

[Alice Purjorick]

OK, let's agree that Gerry's very stupid.  How has he gotten away with so much for so long then?

Just lucky I guess.

[pathfinder73]

10.03?  We're talking about 10.13pm in his statement, not 10.03.  How come he was allowed to sign his statement with that time on it if the police hadn't previously verified it?

He only said 10:03 as an exact time in that statement.

"it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[G-Unit]

Charlotte Pennington who was also on duty at the night creche with Amy Tierney;

On the 3rd of May 2007, around 22H15, the witness was working during "dinner hour", together with her colleagues Jackie and Amy, when an unknown woman came to them indicating that she was a tourist lodged at the complex and asked them if they had heard about a disappearance of a child, whose name she referred to as "Maggie" or "Maddy";Amy contacted via telephone her supervisor, Lyndsay, who informed her that Madeleine had indeed disappeared;

Lyndsay says Amy informed her;
She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.

Emma Knight  ( interviewed in April 2008, so nearly a year later) says Lyndsay informed her;
At about 22.17 I received a call from Lyndsey Johnson, the creche Manager, informing me that the girl had gone missing

According to John Hill Lyndsay phoned him too. after the missing child procedure had been launched;
This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28
The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted,

That takes us close to the time that the GNR were telephoned, and Emma Knight says John Hill organised that;

The hotel manager, John Hill arrived at the location from which the searches were being organised and I can confirm that he called the police.

[Alfred R Jones]

He only said 10:03 as an exact time in that statement.

"it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Beg you're pardon, you're right of course.  It was 10.03pm.  It is Faithlilly who keeps banging on about 10.13pm, not Gerry.

[pathfinder73]

Beg you're pardon, you're right of course.  It was 10.03pm.  It is Faithlilly who keeps banging on about 10.13pm, not Gerry.

Gerry said about 10 minutes after she left he was worried and then she returned raising the alarm.

[misty]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

Date: 2007/05/09
Witness Statement
Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.

Reads, signs, ratifies
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This very important witness appears to have been nearly an hour out with his timings
and his account of the phone calls doesn't tally with the official phone records.

[G-Unit]

There is one employee who never made a statement and was never called out on 3rd May as far as I can see and that was Donna Hill, John Hill's wife and the one 'responsible' for the creche employees;

 we spoke with Mrs Silvia Maria Correia Ramos B., director of maintenance and services for the company "GREENTROUST", which manages the "OCEAN CLUB" company, contactable by mobile phone 964....

Through her, we contacted Donna Louise Rafferty Hill (contactable by mobile phone number 964...) responsible for the crèche employees belonging to the "MARK WARNER" company, who were responsible for Madeleine and the twins for several periods during the day after their arrival in Portugal......The witness is the one responsible for coordination, and who distributed the children between the various girls, allocating each child to one of them.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic116-20.html

[G-Unit]

Gerry said about 10 minutes after she left he was worried and then she returned raising the alarm.

Which is a bit late if a parent is telling the nannies at the creche about it at 10.15pm.

[pathfinder73]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

Date: 2007/05/09
Witness Statement
Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.

Reads, signs, ratifies
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This very important witness appears to have been nearly an hour out with his timings
and his account of the phone calls doesn't tally with the official phone records.

That is impossible. John Hill wasn't informed about the disappearance until 10:28 and then he made his way to apartment 5A. Gerry went with John Hill to reception and called the police at 10:41 so an hour after his estimate time.

[pathfinder73]

Which is a bit late if a parent is telling the nannies at the creche about it at 10.15pm.

Charlotte Pennington said it was before 10pm in another interview so I wouldn't go from her account of 10:15. 10:05 seems about right as Jackie said.

Just before 10pm the last mother arrived to collect her child from the creche and mentioned that she had just bumped into a man, who had been shouting a name.
"She didn't get the name, but she said it sounded something like 'Abbey, Gabby or Maddie'. We automatically went into lost-child procedure. In these situations, the first thing we do is investigate the scene.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483715/Kate-McCann-DID-scream-Theyve-taken-claims-new-nanny-witness.html

[G-Unit]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

Date: 2007/05/09
Witness Statement
Helder Jorge Samaio Luis

Occupation: Receptionist Ocean Club

Has worked at the Ocean Club for almost a year and a half and works as a Receptionist at the main Ocean Club Reception. He doesn't work fixed hours but he always works on the 16.00 to 34.00 shift.

All his work takes place at the main reception.

He knows about the situation that happened at the Ocean Club concerning the disappearance of a little given that on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.

That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

He then contacted the head of reception Vítor Santos and informed him of the situation.

He remained at the OC reception until 24.00 when he was replaced by a colleague Mr Eliseu.

He then left the OC and went home.

He did not see or hear anything suspicious on 3rd May nor on the previous days.

Reads, signs, ratifies
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This very important witness appears to have been nearly an hour out with his timings
and his account of the phone calls doesn't tally with the official phone records.

John Hill says Gerry went to reception but no hint of the time or of being with him;

On the night of the disappearance he always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception
- , with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer, he is not sure at what time this occurred, but it was certainly before 24.00.

Gerry agrees he went to reception, but no time given, and no mention of John Hill;

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

[pathfinder73]

John Hill says Gerry went to reception but no hint of the time or of being with him;

On the night of the disappearance he always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception
- , with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer, he is not sure at what time this occurred, but it was certainly before 24.00.

Gerry agrees he went to reception, but no time given, and no mention of John Hill;

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well. (MO)

Matt first went to reception at 10:10. 30 minutes later is 10:40.

[misty]

That is impossible. John Hill wasn't informed about the disappearance until 10:28 and then he made his way to apartment 5A. Gerry went with John Hill to reception and called the police at 10:41 so an hour after his estimate time.

OK. So Helder was sitting at the reception, the nannies were running around frantically, Matt had been sent to reception to call the police, John Hill was told at 10.28 about the situation by Lindsay the nanny,  Vitor dos Santos had been called by Helder & told about the situation/GNR were busy at Odiaxere..........but the first phone call to the police ACCORDING TO THE TELEPHONE RECORDS was made at 2241.
IMO the telephone records regarding calls to the GNR from OC were doctored or none of the rest makes any sense.

[pathfinder73]

OK. So Helder was sitting at the reception, the nannies were running around frantically, Matt had been sent to reception to call the police, John Hill was told at 10.28 about the situation by Vitor dos Santos who had been called by Helder & told about the situation/GNR were busy at Odiaxere..........but the first phone call to the police ACCORDING TO THE TELEPHONE RECORDS was made at 2241.
IMO the telephone records regarding calls to the GNR from OC were doctored or none of the rest makes any sense.

Manager John Hill went to apartment 5A first before going to reception to call the police at 10:41.