The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.

[Alfred R Jones]

I think what PF and I have shown, although we disagree on the finer detail, is that within the timeframe suggested by the witnesses that there was indeed time for Gerry to have been the Smith's Smithman.

You think do you?  Well I disagree, and it seems so did the PJ and so do the Met - pity they didn't have Faithlilly Holmes and PF Watson on the case, eh? 

[G-Unit]

Flying through the car parks lead you to the Smith sighting. It only takes 2 minutes to get there at that speed 

If the Tapas employees and Mrs Carpenter were right and the alarm was raised earlier than 10pm, there was time to stroll to the Smith sighting. 

[Brietta]

First I've heard of anyone flying through car parks. Funnily enough Mrs Carpenter heard someone calling 'Madeleine', but between 9.15 and 9.30pm.  &%+((£

We really do not know what Mrs Carpenter may or may not have heard.  Unless you have seen a statement from her to that effect ??

[mercury]

We really do not know what Mrs Carpenter may or may not have heard.  Unless you have seen a statement from her to that effect ??

So her husband made it up? Putting words inher mouth? Interesting...

[Brietta]

So her husband made it up? Putting words inher mouth? Interesting...

Misrepresentation is possibly interesting in your world in mine it is thought to be a trifle underhand.

No-one knows what Mrs Carpenter said in her statement ... and she did make one ... for the simple reason the files posted on the internet by Levy are incomplete.

Maybe you know better?

Statements missing from UK holiday makers:

Stephen Carpenter

Original statement taken on 17th May 2007 by a UK Police Officer:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

Carolyn Carpenter

Rogatory interview not included in DVD:

2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Carolyn Carpenter page 18
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

[mercury]

Misrepresentation is possibly interesting in your world in mine it is thought to be a trifle underhand.

No-one knows what Mrs Carpenter said in her statement ... and she did make one ... for the simple reason the files posted on the internet by Levy are incomplete.

Maybe you know better?

Statements missing from UK holiday makers:

Stephen Carpenter

Original statement taken on 17th May 2007 by a UK Police Officer:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

Carolyn Carpenter

Rogatory interview not included in DVD:

2. Page 18 Interview Carolyn Elizabeth CARPENTER, she was interviewed on 21st April 2008, the interview was recorded on DVD, please see enclosed 1 copy of the transcript, 1 copy of the DVD, 1 copy of her statement and a copy of the Detective's statement evidencing the interview.

Carolyn Carpenter page 18
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MISSING_PAGES.htm

You DO lose most possibility of anyone trying to read your posts' potential value when you start them so condescendingly and presumptiously about  others and being downright hostile, maybe have a cup of chamomile, does wonders..if that doesnt work, try pondering  on the question "who made you the pope"? That might bring up some interesting answers for you,more so than speculating and casting aspersions about  MY WORLD

Now, what  were you saying about mr and mrs carpenter and mr levy?

[G-Unit]

We really do not know what Mrs Carpenter may or may not have heard.  Unless you have seen a statement from her to that effect ??

No, I haven't. Strangely neither of the Carpenter's  statements of 17th May are in the PJ Files. 

[mercury]

No, I haven't. Strangely neither of the Carpenter's  statements of 17th May are in the PJ Files.

Think that may be due to Leicester police and not scurrilous journos being deceptive and deciding what might be "unhelpful" in their evil agenda
LOL

[G-Unit]

Think that may be due to Leicester police and not scurrilous journos being deceptive and deciding what might be "unhelpful" in their evil agenda
LOL

The statements were not sent directly to the PJ. They were sent to UKCA by Leicester police.

[mercury]

The statements were not sent directly to the PJ. They were sent to UKCA by Leicester police.

Ok
Who is ukca? and how does this effect people and their arguments  who question what is in the pj files on the net

[G-Unit]

Ok
Who is ukca? and how does this effect people and their arguments  who question what is in the pj files on the net

Some of the stuff collected by Leicester police was sent directly to the PJ when they were working together originally. Other stuff, requested by Rogatory requests was sent to a division of the Home Office, the UK Central Authority, responsible for dealing with requests for legal assistance in criminal matters from other countries. Caroline Carpenter's rogatory interview was sent to this department by Leicester police. It was then up to the UKCA to send it to the Portuguese Attorney General in Lisbon.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm

[mercury]

Some of the stuff collected by Leicester police was sent directly to the PJ when they were working together originally. Other stuff, requested by Rogatory requests was sent to a division of the Home Office, the UK Central Authority, responsible for dealing with requests for legal assistance in criminal matters from other countries. Caroline Carpenter's rogatory interview was sent to this department by Leicester police. It was then up to the UKCA to send it to the Portuguese Attorney General in Lisbon.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm

Thanks g unit.very interesting..bit quiet tonight lol, bye for now

[sadie]

So her husband made it up? Putting words inher mouth? Interesting...

What is interesting Mercury, is the fact that three very impoortant witnesses have their statements missing.

These people could verify times the search began .... and even more importantly that they saw Gerry Mccann searching.


Neil Berry and Raj talked with Gerry, from the balcony of their flat, as he searched for Madeleine.    WHY have those witness statements gone missing?
They are PROOF that Gerry was there searching .... and he couldn't be there and elsewhere as so many of you imply , could he?   WHY are THOSE statements missing?   They rather messed up Amarals theory, didn't they?


Stephen Carpenter and Carolyn Carpenters statements
To have only a third party statement about what another person saw is not good enough.  Stephen Carpenter saying that his wife Caroline heard Madeleine being called is not sufficient.  He could have jumped to conclusions about the time she heard the calling..... we just dont know

... And we all know about the inaccuracies of Chinese Whispers.  Here we have three people involved, Carolyn, Stephen and the Police Officer who recorded the desciption ... three chances for inaccuracies.  Not good enough



Carolyn, Raj and Neil each could prove that Gerry was there searching
Had the Mccanns been charged, these missing statements could have caused untold damage to The Mccanns




However, my bet is that SY will have interviewed Carolyne, Raj and Neil, so will know the truth.



This may be one of the main reasons that they do NOT think the Mccanns "dunit".  They, SY, probably KNOW that Gerry was there searching.

[mercury]

There are lots of "missing" statements in the files....I doubt any have "deliberately" gone "missing"

It is perplexing though why some statements are there and others aren't but I think you're in danger of jumping to conclusions by considering it a conspiracy, I would hedge my bets on human errors and maybe as G Unit told me on another thread, its up to the ukca what was sent to Portugal.

And how you came to the conclusion that certain statements were "hidden" just to hide the fact that Gerald Mccann was out searchng for his child is beyond me. People are normally too busy to spend their days being Machiavellians.

Eta

I don't see how Stephen Carpenter's statement can be taken in any bad light whatsoever, so perplexed there too

[sadie]

There are lots of "missing" statements in the files....I doubt any have "deliberately" gone "missing"

It is perplexing though why some statements are there and others aren't but I think you're in danger of jumping to conclusions by considering it a conspiracy, I would hedge my bets on human errors and maybe as G Unit tood me on another thread, its up to the ukca what was sent to Portugal.

And how you came to the conclusion that certain statements were "hidden" just to hide the fact that Gerald Mccann was out searchng for his child is beyond me. People are normally too busy to spend their days being Machiavellians.

Nobody on here is more busy than I am at the moment.


It is VERY STRANGE that the only statements that could prove that Gerry WAS SEARCHING, have gone missing



All three of them !

Only three and they have all gone !  Few others are missing out of a multitude, but the only three that help Gerry ARE MISSING.


What is wrong with pointing that out?


You protesteth too much, it seems to me. £4%4%