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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #180 on: April 12, 2015, 06:51:27 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on April 12, 2015, 06:41:41 PM
Who is "they"?  Are you saying that when Emma says "about22.17" she actually means "exactly 22.17" because she looked at her phone?  Isn't that a bit presumptuous of you?  How do you know the clock on her phone was even showing the correct time?  You've greatly disappointed me Pathfinder... &%+((£

The police check it and it is 22:17. How would Emma know the correct time unless her phone is checked for the exact time. Get real Alfie!
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #181 on: April 12, 2015, 06:55:02 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on April 12, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
The police check it and it is 22:17. How would Emma know the correct time unless her phone is checked for the exact time. Get real Alfie!
Are you saying the police checked her phone records first and then told her what time to say in her statement? How bizarre!
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #182 on: April 12, 2015, 07:04:38 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on April 12, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
Are you saying the police checked her phone records first and then told her what time to say in her statement? How bizarre!

If exact times are down on statements you ain't gonna sign that statement unless you know the times are correct. What do you think the police do? Don't check? They would get the time from her mobile. It's not hard to ask Emma to check her mobile for the call and get the exact time and details before getting her to sign the statement.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #183 on: April 12, 2015, 07:09:36 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on April 12, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
If exact times are down on statements you ain't gonna sign that statement unless you know the times are correct. What do you think the police do? Don't check? They would get the time from her mobile. It's not hard to ask Emma to check her mobile for the call and get the exact time and details before getting her to sign the statement.
So where does that leave Gerry vis-à-vis his exact stated time of 10.13pm as the time the alarm was raised?
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Offline jassi

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #184 on: April 12, 2015, 07:12:18 PM »
How does he know the time to that degree of precision - watch, phone? How could he be sure of their accuracy?
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #185 on: April 12, 2015, 07:13:51 PM »
Quote from: jassi on April 12, 2015, 07:12:18 PM
How does he know the time to that degree of precision - watch, phone? How could he be sure of their accuracy?
I'm waiting for Pathfinder to tell us.  It seems the police tell the witnesses what time to say in their statements.  @)(++(*
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Offline jassi

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #186 on: April 12, 2015, 07:16:08 PM »
No, they would be cross-checking witness times  with phone records. Gerry would have no such record, therefore he must have got his oh so precise time from somewhere else.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #187 on: April 12, 2015, 07:19:46 PM »
Quote from: jassi on April 12, 2015, 07:16:08 PM
No, they would be cross-checking witness times  with phone records. Gerry would have no such record, therefore he must have got his oh so precise time from somewhere else.
Do you think he was telling the truth, mistaken or lying?
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Offline jassi

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #188 on: April 12, 2015, 07:25:24 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on April 12, 2015, 07:19:46 PM
Do you think he was telling the truth, mistaken or lying?

Personally I think he was bullshitting and giving a precise time to appear clever.
I suspect he didn't know the exact  time to within perhaps 5 minutes.
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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #189 on: April 12, 2015, 07:29:28 PM »
Quote from: jassi on April 12, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Personally I think he was bullshitting and giving a precise time to appear clever.
I suspect he didn't know the exact  time to within perhaps 5 minutes.
Of course, it had to be that because Gerry is so vile / evil it could only be bullshitting or lying, nothing so innocent as a mistake, or a genuinely held belief.  Silly me!
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Offline jassi

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #190 on: April 12, 2015, 07:32:43 PM »
There's nothing vile or evil about bullshitting. Its just something some  people do it all the time as its second nature to them.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #191 on: April 12, 2015, 07:32:59 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on April 12, 2015, 07:29:28 PM
Of course, it had to be that because Gerry is so vile / evil it could only be bullshitting or lying, nothing so innocent as a mistake, or a genuinely held belief.  Silly me!

10:03 was real. That time was on his watch but wait until it's revealed where he was at that exact time.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #192 on: April 12, 2015, 07:36:11 PM »
Quote from: jassi on April 12, 2015, 07:32:43 PM
There's nothing vile or evil about bullshitting. Its just something some  people do it all the time as its second nature to them.
OK, not vile or evil but bloody stupid then?
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #193 on: April 12, 2015, 07:37:38 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on April 12, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
10:03 was real. That time was on his watch but wait until it's revealed where he was at that exact time.
10.03?  We're talking about 10.13pm in his statement, not 10.03.  How come he was allowed to sign his statement with that time on it if the police hadn't previously verified it?
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Offline jassi

Re: The Quality of Witnesses in the Case.
« Reply #194 on: April 12, 2015, 07:38:29 PM »
Quote from: Alfred R Jones on April 12, 2015, 07:36:11 PM
OK, not vile or evil but bloody stupid then?


You said it, not me   @)(++(*
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