The Smithman e-fits - are the McCanns less than happy with them?

[pegasus]

SY's main attention may well have shifted to Smithman - but not necessarily for the purpose of putting a name to the face.
You mean the OFM pages in Portuguese, don't you? TFM is not the official site.

SY's smithman appeal was specifically to ask people to put a name to the face(s).
I mean the the portuguese-language pages of the official website of MFLNSUL (links above).

[misty]

SY's smithman appeal was specifically to ask people to put a name to the face(s).
I mean the the portuguese-language pages of the official website of MFLNSUL (links above).

OK, sorry, but TFM is also Truth for Madeleine website here, which is for the "other side".
SY appealed in the countries from where most of the Algarve tourists originated.
The Smith family did not think the man was a tourist because of the way he dressed - so where was the logic in the SY appeal?
Out of the roughly 4000 residents in PdL, how many do you suppose were little blonde girls between the ages of 2.5 & 5 years old?

[pegasus]

OK, sorry, but TFM is also Truth for Madeleine website here, which is for the "other side".
SY appealed in the countries from where most of the Algarve tourists originated.
The Smith family did not think the man was a tourist because of the way he dressed - so where was the logic in the SY appeal?
Out of the roughly 4000 residents in PdL, how many do you suppose were little blonde girls between the ages of 2.5 & 5 years old?

Yes sorry I meant the official site of MFLNSUL.

What matters are the physical descriptions stated by the irish group.
Their opinions on whether the man was a tourist or not are irrelevant because they are nothing but guesses.

A large percentage of the people in PDL that night were portuguese-speaking.

SY have never done a full smithman appeal in portuguese language IMO.
Nor have Crimewatch (SIC and RTV tried but were refused).
The website of the official fund has never even mentioned smithman in portuguese language IMO.

It's like if a Portuguese child disappeared in England, and all the appeals to identify efits of a suspect were made in portuguese and never in english, that's how ludicrously stupid it is IMO.

[pathfinder73]

OK, sorry, but TFM is also Truth for Madeleine website here, which is for the "other side".
SY appealed in the countries from where most of the Algarve tourists originated.
The Smith family did not think the man was a tourist because of the way he dressed - so where was the logic in the SY appeal?
Out of the roughly 4000 residents in PdL, how many do you suppose were little blonde girls between the ages of 2.5 & 5 years old?

Didn't think he was tourist because he was warmly dressed? Isn't it amazing what a coat can do

You don't believe Smithman exists. Nuff said.

"It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night Maddie went missing . He also watched ITV news and Sky news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children.

Is asking a member of OP task ring him back. He was with group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite worried and shaken whilst speaking to me."

[Brietta]

This disappearance happened in a portuguese speaking country.
So let's look at how the official TFM site backed by millions of pounds of donations focuses on smithman on its portuguese pages.
 
Main page - no smithman efits and no mention of him
http://findmadeleine.com/pt/home.html

"Have you seen these people?" page - - no smithman efits and no mention of him
http://findmadeleine.com/pt/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

Scotland Yard have no jurisdiction in Portugal.

At the time of Broadcast this was purely a British initiative:  the Portuguese Public Ministry did not announce that the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance would be reopened until 24 October 2013.
At which time if leaks to the Portuguese press are to be believed ... relations between the two policing bodies were somewhat delicate.

If the Polícia Judiciária set any store by the efits ~ presuming that apparently unlike the rest of the Portuguese population they know about them ~ surely they will be on the PJ website?

It is my opinion that the PJ and Scotland yard may now know much more about the person portrayed in these rather mysterious efits than they are letting on and that perhaps their purpose has already been fulfilled.
They certainly don't give the appearance of being too agitated about it either in English or Portuguese. 

                                                                      "Job done" perhaps?

[Alfred R Jones]

Scotland Yard have no jurisdiction in Portugal.

At the time of Broadcast this was purely a British initiative:  the Portuguese Public Ministry did not announce that the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance would be reopened until 24 October 2013.
At which time if leaks to the Portuguese press are to be believed ... relations between the two policing bodies were somewhat delicate.

If the Polícia Judiciária set any store by the efits ~ presuming that apparently unlike the rest of the Portuguese population they know about them ~ surely they will be on the PJ website?

It is my opinion that the PJ and Scotland yard may now know much more about the person portrayed in these rather mysterious efits than they are letting on and that perhaps their purpose has already been fulfilled.
They certainly don't give the appearance of being too agitated about it either in English or Portuguese. 

                                                                      "Job done" perhaps?

That's precisely what many "sceptics" believe too Brietta - they believe the e-fits were deliberately released by SY to spook "you-know-who" (first name rhymes with the last name of the woman baker in Great British Bake Off) - not sure if the tactic worked thought...?  &%+((£

[Brietta]

Yes sorry I meant the official site of MFLNSUL.

What matters are the physical descriptions stated by the irish group.
Their opinions on whether the man was a tourist or not are irrelevant because they are nothing but guesses.

A large percentage of the people in PDL that night were portuguese-speaking.

SY have never done a full smithman appeal in portuguese language IMO.
Nor have Crimewatch (SIC and RTV tried but were refused).
The website of the official fund has never even mentioned smithman in portuguese language IMO.

It's like if a Portuguese child disappeared in England, and all the appeals to identify efits of a suspect were made in portuguese and never in english, that's how ludicrously stupid it is IMO.

When the Smith family made their original witness statements to the PJ weeks after Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  They gave a description of the man they said they saw.

What level of importance did Mr Amaral and his team give to the report of the sighting?

What action did they take to publicise this individual to rule him in or out of the inquiry?

Surely if the man who did not have the appearance of being a tourist was a local father with a blonde daughter ... his elimination from the inquiry would have been a rubber stamp exercise when the PJ had sight of the little girl?

[Brietta]

That's precisely what many "sceptics" believe too Brietta - they believe the e-fits were deliberately released by SY to spook "you-know-who" (first name rhymes with the last name of the woman baker in Great British Bake Off) - not sure if the tactic worked thought...?  &%+((£

LOL Alfred ... I know exactly who would have been identified by a Portuguese audience if they had been asked.

[ShiningInLuz]

When the Smith family made their original witness statements to the PJ weeks after Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  They gave a description of the man they said they saw.

What level of importance did Mr Amaral and his team give to the report of the sighting?

What action did they take to publicise this individual to rule him in or out of the inquiry?

Surely if the man who did not have the appearance of being a tourist was a local father with a blonde daughter ... his elimination from the inquiry would have been a rubber stamp exercise when the PJ had sight of the little girl?

I like your line of thought.

Should you ever make it out to this neck of the woods, please let me know.  I would be happy to show you around, and I would be happy to invite you to my dinner table.

Now let me throw out a thought, just a possibility.

Luz has lots of properties that are owned by Portuguese people who do not reside in Luz.  People from Lisbon, Oporto, people from every other city in Portugal who have racked up a fair amount of wealth and who just like to go to the Algarve seaside.

Not picking on anyone, but there is a sense in which Luz is like an equivalent of Clacton-On-Sea.

If Smithman is Portuguese, how do we find him?

[misty]

When did the Portuguese police first make public the description of Tannerman? Was it before or after RM had been questioned as an arguido & presented with the evidence against him?

[pegasus]

When did the Portuguese police first make public the description of Tannerman? Was it before or after RM had been questioned as an arguido & presented with the evidence against him?

After

[misty]

After

So the day after the PJ were "forced" to release the details of JT's sighting the Smiths arrive in Portugal to make their statements containing details of a man eerily similar to Tannerman.

[pegasus]

So the day after the PJ were "forced" to release the details of JT's sighting the Smiths arrive in Portugal to make their statements containing details of a man eerily similar to Tannerman.

I will check the dates...

[pegasus]

So the day after the PJ were "forced" to release the details of JT's sighting the Smiths arrive in Portugal to make their statements containing details of a man eerily similar to Tannerman.

On 23rd May there were two phonecalls between a high member of Blair government and a tourist GM.
On 24th May the British Ambassador popped down to the Algarve to continue the pressure.
On 25th May the PJ did a brit-pressured u-turn and publically released details of the JT sighting.
On 26th May three members of the irish group gave statements in Portugal.
Here's a good article with some of the information.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/27/ukcrime.gordonbrown

[misty]

On 23rd May there were two phonecalls between a high member of Blair government and a tourist GM.
On 24th May the British Ambassador popped down to the Algarve to continue the pressure.
On 25th May the PJ did a brit-pressured u-turn and publically released details of the JT sighting.
On 26th May three members of the irish group gave statements in Portugal.
Here's a good article with some of the information.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/27/ukcrime.gordonbrown

Thank you for that.
The Smiths statements were timed at 1040hrs in Portimao so presumably they flew in on the 25th or before.
Had the family been able to produce an efit at that stage, do you think the PJ would have been pressured into releasing that as well? There was more detail in the Smith statements than JT had provided.