Were the dog alerts in any way significant?

[pathfinder73]

I think Eddie marked that t-shirt worn on 4 May IMO. That is evidence that needs to be corroborated. You don't get top dogs who are the best alerting so many times without it being followed up by the police. SY are searching for evidence of a body because of the dogs and new forensics must be coming soon.

[misty]

Yes I think Eddie marked that t-shirt worn on 4 May IMO. That is evidence that needs to be corroborated. You don't get top dogs who are the best alerting so many times without it being followed up by the police. SY are searching for evidence of a body because of the dogs and new forensics must be coming soon.

Eddie also trampled over half a dozen items, barking, and picked up something blue in his mouth (Sean's shorts?).
A properly trained FBI VRD would have been able to indicate EXACTLY where the scent was - thus enabling its handler not to make the errors you now claim Grime has made.

[G-Unit]

Are all the dogs 'unreliable' or just Grimes' dogs? Lots of them being taken to Nepal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11572695/Nepal-earthquake-Britons-raise-14m-in-public-donations-in-one-day.html

[Mr Gray]

Are all the dogs 'unreliable' or just Grimes' dogs? Lots of them being taken to Nepal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11572695/Nepal-earthquake-Britons-raise-14m-in-public-donations-in-one-day.html

you really do not understand the dogs alerts...the alerts do not confirm the previous location of a cadaver...grime made this clear

[G-Unit]

you really do not understand the dogs alerts...the alerts do not confirm the previous location of a cadaver...grime made this clear

Do I not? How patronising! The one alert that I find difficult to ignore is the one in the main bedroom of G5A. The CSI dog didn't alert there, so not blood. The alert is not proof of anything because no body was found in the apartment, but that alert meant that the dog found a scent he was trained to find. When he found it he was trained to bark. What was he alerting to therefore? If the dogs in Nepal alert people will dig. If nothing is found does that mean the dog is wrong? It could mean that the scent is reaching the dog from another direction. These dogs can't always be proved right, but neither can they be proved wrong in my opinion.

The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant

 Any contact with a cadaver which is then passed to any
other material may be recognised by the dog causing a 'trigger' indication.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Eleanor]

Are all the dogs 'unreliable' or just Grimes' dogs? Lots of them being taken to Nepal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11572695/Nepal-earthquake-Britons-raise-14m-in-public-donations-in-one-day.html

That is the point you see.  Victim Recovery Dogs, as known as Search and Rescue Dogs.  This is what Eddie was originally trained to do.  Find and recover live people.

[G-Unit]

That is the point you see.  Victim Recovery Dogs, as known as Search and Rescue Dogs.  This is what Eddie was originally trained to do.  Find and recover live people.

So there was a live person hidden in the bedroom?

[OxfordBloo]

At G-unit:


Your quotes are partial and distort what was actually written:







The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
evidence to be located only the remaining scent.

The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas
on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was
in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely
presence of human blood.




My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.



odour target of cadaver is scientifically explained through 'volatile organic
compounds' that in a certain configuration are received by the dog as a
receptor. Recognition then gives a conditioned response 'ALERT'. Despite
considerable research and analytical investigation the compounds cannot as
yet be replicated in laboratory processes. Therefore the 'alert' by dogs without
a tangible source cannot be forensically proven at this time. Cadaver scent
cannot readily be removed by cleaning as the compounds adhere to surfaces.
The scent can be 'masked' by bleach and other strong smelling odours but
the dog's olfactory system is able to isolate the odours and identify specific
compounds' and mixes. Cadaver scent contamination may be transferred in
numerous scenarios. Any contact with a cadaver which is then passed to any
other material may be recognised by the dog causing a 'trigger' indication.



Each of your abbreviated quotes materially change the meaning of the quote when seen in context.

I hope this was entirely accidental!

[Eleanor]

So there was a live person hidden in the bedroom?

Injured live people bleed.  Eddie was originally trained to scent Blood.

[Brietta]

Are all the dogs 'unreliable' or just Grimes' dogs? Lots of them being taken to Nepal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/11572695/Nepal-earthquake-Britons-raise-14m-in-public-donations-in-one-day.html

The dogs in the earthquake zone are alerting to living people but unfortunately in more instances are alerting to dead ones.  No-one is having to interpret or make a judgement about what occasions the alert, digging into the rubble confirms it one way or the other.

[John]

These posts have been taken from the strange statements thread as they were off topic.

[G-Unit]

These posts have been taken from the strange statements thread as they were off topic.

Thanks John. Can you move my latest one also? I just posted.

[Carana]

These posts have been taken from the strange statements thread as they were off topic.

Oh goodie. We haven't had yet another pointless doggie thread for at least a month or more.

[stephen25000]

I just viewed this on the Amazon forum.

' Have you digested 'Proven Fact 6' from the Lisbon judgement?

"6. The British Police Dogs "Eddie" and "Keela" detected human blood and cadaverine in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club."   '


Any comments  ?

[OxfordBloo]

I just viewed this on the Amazon forum.

' Have you digested 'Proven Fact 6' from the Lisbon judgement?



Any comments  ?

Yes.

It is part of one of the Proven Facts.

Proven Facts are the basis on which the judgement is founded.

It was necessary to list the core facts of the case as published in the files to differentiate them from further facts known to Amaral.

The Proven Fact in context is:

The archiving summary of the case said that

 "6. The British Police Dogs "Eddie" and "Keela" detected human blood and cadaverine in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club."   '

So it is a fact that Tavares said that, not that it was a fact that the dogs detected human blood or cadaverine...