Were the dog alerts in any way significant?

[Alfred R Jones]

Well I'm not your researcher - unless you're paying, that is?

Blimey, you're touchy - if you didn't want to answer my question with a simple yes or no, just ignore it.  Maybe a more helpful person will be along to answer instead.   Did Keela react to anything other than McCann-related property?

[OxfordBloo]

Grime was somewhat disingenuous in his statement, which for me rings some alarm bells:

"Ten vehicles were screened in an underground multi storey car park at
Portimao. The vehicles, of which I did not know the owner details, were
parked on an empty floor with 20-30 feet between each. The vehicle
placement video recording and management of the process was conducted
by the PJ. The EVRD was then tasked to search the area. When passing a
vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert
indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and
barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from
the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door."

The video clearly shows a "find madeleine" poster in the rear nearside window the car.   And yet Grime claims he had no prior knowledge of the provenance of the car.  Really?

The video then shows the dog at each car in turn, being called back once to each vehicle and then moving on.

Until he comes to the McCanns car (the only one with the posters of Madeleine in the windows).

And one the first, second, third, fourth and fifth passes the dog showed no interest in the car.  The handler remains by the car.  The video then shows Grime pointing to certain parts of the car and eventually the dog does alert on the 8th or 9th attempt.

I would love someone to explain to me how that is not a demonstration of cueing by the dog's handler. 


Video 1:13 and 1:18 to 1:24 approx.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

That indicates to me that he is either lining there or in denial. Anyone who saw the video knows that the Renault was plastered with "Find Maddie" posters.

Elsewhere he uses distorted English to place himself and his skills in the best possible light.

Only where he has to consider what he might have to swear to in court does he then introduce the requisite scientific and legal uncertainty.

[OxfordBloo]

Blimey, you're touchy - if you didn't want to answer my question with a simple yes or no, just ignore it.  Maybe a more helpful person will be along to answer instead.   Did Keela react to anything other than McCann-related property?

I am not aware of it. Which means that PdL must be the cleanest environment ever. No one stubbed their toe or nicked themselves shaving. No tampons in bins. No gingivitis. No nose bleeds.

[Jean-Pierre]

Thank you OxfordBloo

The name "Duarte Levy" on each video also rings alarm bells.

If I didnt know better I would say it was a promotional video.......

[Alfred R Jones]

I am not aware of it. Which means that PdL must be the cleanest environment ever. No one stubbed their toe or nicked themselves shaving. No tampons in bins. No gingivitis. No nose bleeds.

This is what I find hard to understand also.  No blood ever spilt anywhere but in the McCann property - what are the chances of that, eh?

[OxfordBloo]

Thank you OxfordBloo

The name "Duarte Levy" on each video also rings alarm bells.

If I didnt know better I would say it was a promotional video.......

And the heavily edited version that leaves out all the call backs to the Renault.

[slartibartfast]

This is what I find hard to understand also.  No blood ever spilt anywhere but in the McCann property - what are the chances of that, eh?

Sort of,http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Peckinpah%27s_%22Salad_Days%22

 

[Alfred R Jones]

Sort of,http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Peckinpah%27s_%22Salad_Days%22

 

Hmmm...I was hoping for some sort of reasonable explanation as to why Keela only alerted to blood on McCann-related property.  Seems like you're not going to be the one to supply it but thanks anyway.

[slartibartfast]

Hmmm...I was hoping for some sort of reasonable explanation as to why Keela only alerted to blood on McCann-related property.  Seems like you're not going to be the one to supply it but thanks anyway.

You are the one who seems to think that PDL apartments are like the scene of a slasher film.

[Alfred R Jones]

You are the one who seems to think that PDL apartments are like the scene of a slasher film.

What on earth gave you that impression? 

[OxfordBloo]

You are the one who seems to think that PDL apartments are like the scene of a slasher film.

Exactly the opposite. Eddie and Keela can detect minute samples of blood months after they are deposited. Every bathroom in the country must have some blood contamination what with minor trauma and menstruation. Every kitchen must have housed klutzs that cut themselves with knives when preparing food. Stubbed toes, calls and nose bleeds.

And they only reacted in 5a months after the McCanns bad left and several other residents passed through.

Truly amazing. Especially as no gross blood contamination was found at any point, merely pin pricks.

I smell a rat, or at least a dog.

[Alfred R Jones]

The owner of this forum is in contact with Martin Grime and has previously offered to ask Mr Grime some questions.  Once this case has been shelved / closed / solved that's a question that will be top of my list - why does he think Keela didn't alert to any other apartment or locale apart from McCann-related?

[OxfordBloo]

The owner of this forum is in contact with Martin Grime and has previously offered to ask Mr Grime some questions.  Once this case has been shelved / closed / solved that's a question that will be top of my list - why does he think Keela didn't alert to any other apartment or locale apart from McCann-related?

Or Eddie who is a blood dog also.

[Carew]

Blimey, you're touchy - if you didn't want to answer my question with a simple yes or no, just ignore it.  Maybe a more helpful person will be along to answer instead.   Did Keela react to anything other than McCann-related property?

Keela would have only been deployed following a cadaver contaminant alert by Eddie ?

*snip*

"The first alert was given with the dogs head in the air without a positive area
 being identified. This is the alert given by him when there is no tangible
 evidence to be located only the remaining scent.

The second alert was one where a definitive area was evident. The CSI dog
 was therefore deployed who gave specific alert indications to specific areas
 on the tiled floor area behind the sofa and on the curtain in the area that was
 in contact with the floor behind the sofa. This would indicate to the likely
 presence of human blood.

 The forensic science support officers were then deployed to recover items for
 laboratory analysis.

 There were no alert indications from the remaining properties. I did however
 see the dog search in the kitchen waste bins. These contained meat
 foodstuffs including pork and did not result in any false alert response. "

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Carew]

The owner of this forum is in contact with Martin Grime and has previously offered to ask Mr Grime some questions.  Once this case has been shelved / closed / solved that's a question that will be top of my list - why does he think Keela didn't alert to any other apartment or locale apart from McCann-related?

..........because she was deployed in areas indicated by Eddie in order to retrieve samples possibly associated with a cadaver rather than a nosebleed or shaving related incident, maybe?