Were the dog alerts in any way significant?

[G-Unit]

every agency that use dog's use them to find evidence...that's there job and that's what makes them so valuable...an alert with no evidence is useless

Keela found evidence. Not her fault it wasn't sufficient.

[Mr Gray]

Keela found evidence. Not her fault it wasn't sufficient.

so what evidence did Keela find

[G-Unit]

Do you accept that Eddie alerts to minute traces of blood, even months after they have been spilt?  Do you accept that it is highly unlikely that no blood was ever spilt in any of the places Eddie was directed to, apart from on McCann property?

I have no idea how these dogs do what they do. Can you tell me why the two dogs who indicated that there was something in the loft of Tia Sharp's grandmother didn't indicate all over her house?

[OxfordBloo]

I have no idea how these dogs do what they do. Can you tell me why the two dogs who indicated that there was something in the loft of Tia Sharp's grandmother didn't indicate all over her house?

They also missed the girl under the bed and reacted to furniture from a house removal where the resident had died.

So complicated.

[Carew]

I didn't say always where he directs them, only that be has some control over whether or not they do alert. They ma not sleet where he does not encourage him, but are more likely to alert where he is obviously interested.

...........but if he knows that samples need to be retrieved in order to produce evidence to confirm the alert, what would be the point in such alleged "control ?"

How would he know whereabouts to allegedly "encourage " in order to follow up the alert by deploying the CSI dog?

[Alfred R Jones]

I have no idea how these dogs do what they do. Can you tell me why the two dogs who indicated that there was something in the loft of Tia Sharp's grandmother didn't indicate all over her house?

Nope, I can't.

Nor can I explain why Eddie alerted to blood on a tissue, but in the McCann case failed to detect any blood anywhere else apart from on McCann property, you have to admit it's rather baffling.

[OxfordBloo]

...........but if he knows that samples need to be retrieved in order to produce evidence to confirm the alert, what would be the point in such alleged "control ?"

How would he know whereabouts to allegedly "encourage " in order to follow up the alert by deploying the CSI dog?

He wouldn't necessarily 'know'. Cueing can be quite unconscious. If he knew the suspects' car of apartment be might be more likely to exhibit unconscious tells when in those places

[G-Unit]

Nope, I can't.

Nor can I explain why Eddie alerted to blood on a tissue, but in the McCann case failed to detect any blood anywhere else apart from on McCann property, you have to admit it's rather baffling.

I'm not at all baffled. I trust those who work with these dogs and they trust their dogs to do what they ask of them. Dogs have done some wonderful things for people and more things are revealed every day. The latest is that they seem to be able to sniff out prostrate cancer, which is very hard to test for. If they can do things like that I don't care how they do it, I'm just pleased that they can.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm not at all baffled. I trust those who work with these dogs and they trust their dogs to do what they ask of them. Dogs have done some wonderful things for people and more things are revealed every day. The latest is that they seem to be able to sniff out prostrate cancer, which is very hard to test for. If they can do things like that I don't care how they do it, I'm just pleased that they can.

So you have unquestioning belief in the dogs' (and their handlers) abilities, well sorry but not all of us do. 

[OxfordBloo]

I'm not at all baffled. I trust those who work with these dogs and they trust their dogs to do what they ask of them. Dogs have done some wonderful things for people and more things are revealed every day. The latest is that they seem to be able to sniff out prostrate cancer, which is very hard to test for. If they can do things like that I don't care how they do it, I'm just pleased that they can.

As I have repeatedly said, testimonials do not outweigh scientific evidence of uncertainty.

[Carew]

He wouldn't necessarily 'know'. Cueing can be quite unconscious. If he knew the suspects' car of apartment be might be more likely to exhibit unconscious tells when in those places

..............except when he doesn`t "exhibit unconscious tells"...........e.g. in a McCann bathroom or a boys t-shirt or a weaker sort of " unconscious tell " as per flower bed.

All possibilities covered, then.

[OxfordBloo]

..............except when he doesn`t "exhibit unconscious tells"...........e.g. in a McCann bathroom or a boys t-shirt or a weaker sort of " unconscious tell " as per flower bed.

All possibilities covered, then.

Pretty unpredictable and not evidential.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm not at all baffled. I trust those who work with these dogs and they trust their dogs to do what they ask of them. Dogs have done some wonderful things for people and more things are revealed every day. The latest is that they seem to be able to sniff out prostrate cancer, which is very hard to test for. If they can do things like that I don't care how they do it, I'm just pleased that they can.

What's your view on this piece of research?

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/2010-2011/02/20110223_drug_dogs.html

[pathfinder73]

He " directed" Eddie to and around a bathroom and other areas............no alert.

Eddie finds the source of the strongest scent. He goes in first to find cadaver scent. Keela has to get in real close with her nose to detect any microscopic blood in those alerted areas. We have Grime's opinion about Eddie's alerts - they all were for cadaver not blood and he  knows more about his dog, behaviour and training than any of us.

[OxfordBloo]

Eddie finds the source of the strongest scent. He goes in first to find cadaver scent. Keela has to get in real close with her nose to detect any microscopic blood in those alerted areas. We have Grime's opinion about Eddie's alerts - they all were for cadaver not blood and he  knows more about his dog, behaviour and training than any of us.

Are they your opinions or do you have a cite?