Were the dog alerts in any way significant?

[misty]

I don't need to. I know the dogs were right in this case. Eddie proves when he alerts to cadaver a body is found. Never the missing person has turned up alive. You are the one questioning them so get researching on the dogs in this case not general reports. They have been involved in many cases and FBI body farm - passed with flying colours.

The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement speciality of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed.

Grime and Eddie are in high demand, world wide. Getting them to Walker County from England to help solve Theresa Parker's disappearance is an indication of how high a priority her case is for the FBI, according to one FBI agent close to the case.

FBI Agent John Parrish said dogs such as Eddie, a 7-year-old English springer spaniel, are used in "violent crime matters," such as the Parker case.

He also said search dogs assisted authorities in April and provided valuable help. The additional help marks a "new phase of the investigation," Agent Parrish said.

"We wanted to bring in Mr. Grime because he is renowned for his ability to do certain things," Mr. Parrish said. "We (will) go to areas that are of investigative interest to us and not only eliminate (leads, but) follow up on leads."

Please explain exactly how Grime & Eddie helped solve the Parker case.

[Alfred R Jones]

Members who should know better are asked to please stop goading our new member OxfordBloo. TY

Perhaps you should take a close look at Alice's sig line.... &%+((£

[Alfred R Jones]

Lots and lots.  The clothes and shoes she wore to the shop, the food she brought back, the blood stains on the wall, in the fridge and on the shoes, the attempt to cleanse the scene etc...

But the Cipriano case was not determined by physical evidence but on circumstantial evidence and on confessions attributed to both Leonor and her brother João at various stages of the long proceedings.

To remind readers.  The mother Leonor originally told the police that she had hit the girl, she had struck her head on a wall and died.  She added that her brother João who was in the house at the time carried the girl out back and hid her.  Leonor was later unable to find her hiding place.

João for his part claimed that he had hid the body at various locatons but even after police had taken him on several searches no remains were ever found.

Leonor later recanted her confession to murder and claimed that her brother had in fact taken his niece to sell her to some foreigners but that the deal had fallen through.  For reasons she has never disclosed the girl ended up dead.

Clothes, shoes and food are not evidence of murder.  Bloodstains could well be, but as none was ever shown to belong to Joana, they could only be considered circumstantial.  No solid proof whatoever of murder, just the confessions of a couple of simpletons.

[misty]

Interesting comments from a VRD handler at the end of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNCYATHzUY

[OxfordBloo]

I don't need to. I know the dogs were right in this case. Eddie proves when he alerts to cadaver a body is found. Never the missing person has turned up alive. You are the one questioning them so get researching on the dogs in this case not general reports. They have been involved in many cases and FBI body farm - passed with flying colours.

The FBI considers them -- Martin Grime and his 7-year-old, English Springer Spaniel, Eddie -- two of the best in the law enforcement speciality of canine forensics, able to find evidence everyone else missed.

Grime and Eddie are in high demand, world wide. Getting them to Walker County from England to help solve Theresa Parker's disappearance is an indication of how high a priority her case is for the FBI, according to one FBI agent close to the case.

FBI Agent John Parrish said dogs such as Eddie, a 7-year-old English springer spaniel, are used in "violent crime matters," such as the Parker case.

He also said search dogs assisted authorities in April and provided valuable help. The additional help marks a "new phase of the investigation," Agent Parrish said.

"We wanted to bring in Mr. Grime because he is renowned for his ability to do certain things," Mr. Parrish said. "We (will) go to areas that are of investigative interest to us and not only eliminate (leads, but) follow up on leads."

Knowledge never comes from belief, only from testing reality.

I start from the point of neither believing or disbelieving the dogs and ask 'what has been teliably tested?' not as you do 'what does the person with a financial interest in them say.' My route brings real knowledge, yours. Your method merely parrots biased belief.

[G-Unit]

Knowledge never comes from belief, only from testing reality.

I start from the point of neither believing or disbelieving the dogs and ask 'what has been teliably tested?' not as you do 'what does the person with a financial interest in them say.' My route brings real knowledge, yours. Your method merely parrots biased belief.

Do you know if the tests which have been carried out to assess handlers and their dogs allowed for the Hawthorne effect?

[Mr Gray]

Knowledge never comes from belief, only from testing reality.

I start from the point of neither believing or disbelieving the dogs and ask 'what has been teliably tested?' not as you do 'what does the person with a financial interest in them say.' My route brings real knowledge, yours. Your method merely parrots biased belief.

Re the alert in the flower bed...would the cadaverine scent have lasted 3 months outside if there were no physical remains

[OxfordBloo]

Do you know if the tests which have been carried out to assess handlers and their dogs allowed for the Hawthorne effect?

Why would the Hawthorne effect apply.

[G-Unit]

Why would the Hawthorne effect apply.

Any study of people has to take account of it, i would have thought.

[mercury]

His retirement date is a matter of record- the end of July. Also on record is the fact that he was on long leave before retirement for the time he was in PdL. He was fully retired (and the dogs were unaccredited) when he went to Jersey.

Why are you answering for Ferryman?
Do you have proof for all you say?
Are you condoning the suggestion he was "impersonating" a police officer?
The UK and Portuguese police have never mentioned having a problem with Mr Grime, his dogs and his work in Portugal
Who mentioned Jersey?
You don't have to answer.

[mercury]

as you admit...he may have an idea...an opinion...but he doesn't know

A professional and seasoned dog handler (unlike others who are not)  will certainly have "an idea and opinion" Quite right. It is in the files. His "professional opinion" was that what the cadaver dog alerted to was cadaver scent contaminant. I find your offside suggestion that it could have been anything at all and it would be anyones guess what it was a little misleading.

[mercury]

Don't be so silly ... I have never asserted police contamination of the walls in apartment 5A for the simple reason there was none in that place and I am sure you are as familiar with the FSS report as any  ... disingenuous of you to put words in my mouth however.

Had Keela been introduced to the areas of interest shown by Eddie in the other apartments and the same amount of time and encouragement given as in 5A to both dogs, who knows what other alerts might have been produced for the video?

You can reread our conversation the other day from here and on:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.90

I may have misread your assertions, let me know where

As regards Keela, the blood dog, not being utilised in any other apartment, she wasn't, as Eddie showed no interest in any of them. That is what the handler tells us. He is the professional, I assume you are just another armchair detective.

[OxfordBloo]

Why are you answering for Ferryman?
Do you have proof for all you say?
Are you condoning the suggestion he was "impersonating" a police officer?
The UK and Portuguese police have never mentioned having a problem with Mr Grime, his dogs and his work in Portugal
Who mentioned Jersey?
You don't have to answer.

I won't as it is already posted above.

[pathfinder73]

Please explain exactly how Grime & Eddie helped solve the Parker case.

Sept 2007
"He immediately gave a positive bark response within the garage between a truck parked to the left of the entrance and a boat parked to the right," Grime said.

Sept 2010
Theresa Parker's family and friends will finally be able to put the Georgia 911 dispatcher to rest after her skeletal remains were found scattered along the Chattanooga River.


He said that, after Theresa Parker's friend reported to police that she was worried about Theresa in March 2007, two Walker County sheriff's deputies found an empty house and looked inside the Parkers' garage when they weren't allowed.

On the left side of the garage, they found Sam's LaFayette Police Department vehicle. On the right side, where Theresa's Toyota 4Runner should have sat, they found nothing. They also found Sam Parker's truck outside the garage, and days later they found the 4Runner back in its place -- though no one ever saw Theresa again.

When Theresa's family reported her missing, members of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation asked Sam Parker where he was the night his wife had last been seen. He told them he had been cruising in his truck.

But investigators knew that wasn't true because the truck had been home when deputies checked on the Parkers. The inconsistency in Sam Parker's story was a key point during a September 2009 trial in which he was found guilty.

You don't fool Eddie. If there's cadaver scent he will detect and alert to it.

[Brietta]

You can reread our conversation the other day from here and on:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.90

I may have misread your assertions, let me know where

As regards Keela, the blood dog, not being utilised in any other apartment, she wasn't, as Eddie showed no interest in any of them. That is what the handler tells us. He is the professional, I assume you are just another armchair detective.

You will of course have an explanation for Mark Harrison moving the sideboard to allow Eddie access to an area of interest.
While you are explaining that ... perhaps you have an explanation of why he wasn't allowed free rein to do so.

Of course you don't because you appear to be interested only in displaying your somewhat combative style of posting.