Were the dog alerts in any way significant?

[G-Unit]

What is your interpretation of what Grime said to the Mail on Sunday.     It seems to me it is an admission that because he is human -  he is not immune from making mistakes in his own field of work - and is therefore not claiming 100% accuracy.

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Asked about the ‘human remains’ found by Eddie that turned out to be coconut, Grime said bizarrely: ‘People aren’t right 100 per cent of the time.  Otherwise they wouldn’t be human.’
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I interpret that as him saying no-one is right 100% of the time? It means nothing in relation to the McCann case though, as we have no idea whether he and his dogs were right or wrong in that case. Could be either.

[Benice]

I interpret that as him saying no-one is right 100% of the time? It means nothing in relation to the McCann case though, as we have no idea whether he and his dogs were right or wrong in that case. Could be either.

A fair answer G-unit  - thank you.   At least you don't claim that because Eddie alerted there is no question whatsoever that a dead body MUST have been in 5A - which is what so many sceptics still claim on a regular basis.

[stephen25000]

A fair answer G-unit  - thank you.   At least you don't claim that because Eddie alerted there is no question whatsoever that a dead body MUST have been in 5A - which is what so many sceptics still claim on a regular basis.

Do  you accept there could have been a dead body in the apartment ?

The logic works both ways.

[Alice Purjorick]

Haven't we all.

Some more than others I guess.

[G-Unit]

A fair answer G-unit  - thank you.   At least you don't claim that because Eddie alerted there is no question whatsoever that a dead body MUST have been in 5A - which is what so many sceptics still claim on a regular basis.

I have never claimed that Eddie was infallible, or that his alert proved anything. What I do say is that Eddie's alert shouldn't be completely dismissed.

[Mr Gray]

I have never claimed that Eddie was infallible, or that his alert proved anything. What I do say is that Eddie's alert shouldn't be completely dismissed.

more importantly it should not be used by amaral to convince people that maddie died in the apartment. I'm sure that most of those donating believe his lies re the dogs

[G-Unit]

more importantly it should not be used by amaral to convince people that maddie died in the apartment. I'm sure that most of those donating believe his lies re the dogs

There is no proof at all to tell us what happened to Madeleine. There is no evidence that Madeleine was  abducted or that she woke and wandered. Any evidence which does exist is circumstantial and suggests that she may have died in the apartment, and the dog alerts are part of that circumstantial evidence.

[Brietta]

more importantly it should not be used by amaral to convince people that maddie died in the apartment. I'm sure that most of those donating believe his lies re the dogs

Which in my opinion is the only significance which can be assigned to  the dog alerts.  They have been used exclusively to malign innocent people.

To that effect the handler's statement regarding the significance of the alerts is totally ignored and the forensic evidence or rather the lack of it is totally ignored.

What may possibly have been an initial misunderstanding has attained the status of Holy Writ despite all indications to the contrary ... decidedly odd.

[Mr Gray]

There is no proof at all to tell us what happened to Madeleine. There is no evidence that Madeleine was  abducted or that she woke and wandered. Any evidence which does exist is circumstantial and suggests that she may have died in the apartment, and the dog alerts are part of that circumstantial evidence.

could you explain what evidence suggests maddie died in the apartment

[Alfred R Jones]

I understood completely thank you. The contention that handlers and dogs are not always right is a valid one, particularly when alerts cannot be supported by forensic evidence. No-one knows if the dogs were right or wrong.

Trying to 'prove' that they were wrong by referring to 'studies' is no help for two reasons. Firstly, 'scientific' studies which work in the natural world are not applicable to the study of people. Even if the studies were well run and replicable, they tell us nothing about these two dogs, only about dogs and handlers in general.

Perhaps you would like to refute my points?

Perhaps you could tell me who here has cited any study as proof that the dogs were wrong, and we can move on from there...?

[G-Unit]

could you explain what evidence suggests maddie died in the apartment

Eddies alerts. He may have been right. Not proof, but a hint.

[Mr Gray]

Eddies alerts. He may have been right. Not proof, but a hint.

so that's all....an alert that has no evidential reliability...I think the aliens are more probably responsible

[Mr Gray]

Eddies alerts. He may have been right. Not proof, but a hint.

Then why has amaral used the alerts and promoted them as virtual proof

[jassi]

I suppose that is something best answered by Amaral.

[G-Unit]

so that's all....an alert that has no evidential reliability...I think the aliens are more probably responsible

An alert is circumstantial evidence, or can lead to a case being made using other circumstantial evidence, particularly where there is no evidence to the contrary;

After a massive search of the farm and surrounding countryside Gloucestershire Constabulary found no evidence of Kate, 55, inside or outside the property.

There were no traces of blood, or signs of a struggle, but the cadaver dog indicated to police that a dead body had been in the living room.

Gloucestershire Constabulary drew together a mass of circumstantial evidence that pointed to Prout having strangled his wife with his bare hands and burying her body.

A jury of 11 men and women found him guilty by a majority of 10 to one and he was sentenced to life in prison. He must serve a minimum of 18 years.



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