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Offline Joanne

Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« on: September 05, 2012, 08:12:12 AM »
Amanda Knox was found guilty and then not guilty of being involved with the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy on 1st November 2007. Was she really involved or did Rudy Guede act alone. I do find it dispicable that Amanda Know implicated Patrick Lumumba, her boss though.

The murder of Meredith Kercher occurred in Perugia, Italy, on 1 November 2007. Kercher, aged 21 at the time of her death, was a British university exchange student from Coulsdon, south London. She was found dead on the floor of her bedroom with stab wounds to the throat. Some of her belongings were missing, including cash, two credit cards, two mobile phones, and her house keys.

Rudy Guede, an Ivory Coast native raised in Perugia, was convicted in October 2008 of having sexually assaulted and murdered Kercher, and was sentenced to 30 years, reduced on appeal to 16 years in December 2009. Also tried were Amanda Knox, an American exchange student and flatmate of Kercher, and Knox's then-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, an Italian student. Knox and Sollecito were convicted on charges of sexual assault and murder in December 2009, and sentenced to 26 and 25 years respectively. Their convictions were overturned on appeal in October 2011 by a panel of six jurors and two judges. In an official statement of their grounds for overturning the convictions the judges wrote there was a "material non-existence" of evidence to support the guilty verdicts at the trial. The appeal judges further stated that the prosecution's theory of an association between Sollecito, Knox and Guede was "not corroborated by any evidence" and "far from probable".
The murder and subsequent events, especially Knox's arrest and trial, received worldwide press coverage, often in the form of salacious tabloid reporting, particularly in Italy and England. Some observers criticized the media for not describing the case accurately and dispassionately, as they believed it could influence the court case.

In Perugia, Kercher shared a four-bedroom ground-floor apartment in a house at Via della Pergola 7, the front door lock did not have a spring latch and had to be closed with a key. The house was set on a hillside with an extensive unfenced garden and a panoramic view over the city. According to Candace Dempsey, an Italian-American journalist, locals thought of it as a bad neighborhood. Between the house and the university was Piazza Grimana, where students often gathered.
Her flatmates were Filomena and Laura, Italian women in their late twenties, and 20-year-old Seattle exchange student Amanda Knox. Kercher and Knox moved in on 10 and 20 September respectively, meeting each other for the first time. Kercher called her mother, who was unwell, at least once a day on a mobile phone she kept with her at all times, her other mobile was registered to Filomena. Knox used her own phone as a watch and did not usually turn it off. Knox was employed part time at a bar, Le Chic, which was owned by a Congolese man, Patrick Lumumba. She told flatmates and her mother that she was going to quit as Lumumba was not paying her and had suggested she drink wine while working. Lumumba said that both these assertions were untrue. Kercher's English women friends saw relatively little of Knox, as she preferred to mix with Italians.
The walk-out semi-basement of the house was rented by four young Italian men with whom both Kercher and Knox were friendly. One of the men, Giacomo, spent time in the girls' flat due to a shared interest in music. Cannabis plants were grown in the basement and Knox sometimes smoked hashish there, as did Kercher on occasion. Returning home at 2 am one night in mid October, Knox, Kercher, Giacomo and another basement resident met Rudy Guede. The Italians knew Guede from playing basketball with him. Guede, who had been served by Knox at her part-time bar job days earlier, attached himself to the group and asked about Knox. He was invited into the basement and talked about her with the Italians, they all expressed the opinion she was attractive. Knox and then Kercher joined them and smoked hashish, at 4:30 am Kercher left saying she was going to bed, Knox followed her out.

On the night of the murder, 1 November, the house was empty. Kercher's Italian flatmates were visiting family because it was a public holiday.[18] The downstairs flat was also empty because the occupants were out of town.[19]

At about 6:00 that evening, Kercher had dinner with three other English women at one of their homes, and watched a DVD, The Notebook. According to the friends, just before 9 pm, she said she felt tired and wanted to retire early; she borrowed a history book, saying she would return it by 10 am the next morning, and left to walk home with one of her friends. The two parted company on Via del Lupo at around 8:55 pm, about 500 yards (460 m) from Via della Pergola 7.At 8:56 pm, someone tried to call Kercher's mother from her mobile phone, but the call was cut off. At 10 pm, someone again used her mobile phone to call her bank in London, but the call did not go through. An April 2008 report by court-appointed experts estimated that Kercher died between 8:55pm and 12:50 am. The time of death could not be established with any precision because the police prevented the coroner from checking her temperature until midnight on the night after her death. Sollecito's lawyers argued on appeal that, because the autopsy showed no stomach contents had passed into the duodenum, the time of death could not have been after 10 pm.

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Offline John

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 01:12:02 PM »
The case of Amanda Know has always intrigued me Joanne.  I could never make up my mind if she was guilty or innocent and still can't.   >@@(*&)

I have a great insight into how the Italian judicial system works having spent many hours discussing it with Italian nationals when I was in Madrid. We believe our system is corrupt...    @)(++(*
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Joanne

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 01:14:13 PM »
I'm the same with Amanda Knox, I don't know why.

Offline Harvey

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 01:45:11 PM »
I'm the same with Amanda Knox, I don't know why.
The bit I don't understand is why did the black guy admitted to it if he wasn't guilty?   >@@(*&)

Offline Joanne

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 02:37:52 PM »
I really have no idea. It makes no sense because he then asked for a fast track trial.

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 03:25:51 PM »
When I read olf Foxy Knoxy had deliberately tried to frame her boss the barowner for the murder and let him rot in prison for a couple of weeks falsely accused of murder I thought she must be guilty. Why would an innocent girl try and blame another she knows to be innocent!

She got away with murder!

Offline Joanne

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 04:16:04 PM »
I really felt for Patrick Lumumba, when I saw him interviewed he looked totally shocked which you would be.

Offline abs

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 10:23:42 PM »
When I read olf Foxy Knoxy had deliberately tried to frame her boss the barowner for the murder and let him rot in prison for a couple of weeks falsely accused of murder I thought she must be guilty. Why would an innocent girl try and blame another she knows to be innocent!

She got away with murder!

That is exactly my problem with her. She claims she was exhausted after hours of interrogation, but still.
On the fence about her though.

Offline Iggy68

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 11:05:27 PM »
looks like theres going to be a retrial so the prosecution must think she was involved

Offline Outlook

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 11:14:50 PM »
She is guilty.  The moment an American surrounds themselves with lawyers, starts finding Gawd and claims they cannot remember anything because they were off their heads on cocaine at the time they are guilty.

Offline Iggy68

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 11:43:01 PM »
if she really is quilty maybe she should admit to it like Rudy Guede did... isnt he likely to be released as early as 2016 ?. 
i do remember that her parents did pull out all the stops to try and have her conviction quashed

Offline Outlook

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 02:49:13 PM »
I may be a total bitch but nothing, even CCTV evidence would convince me that Knox was innocent.

A bit like OJ Simpson.

Commit a crime in most countries and you get a lawyer and take your chance with the crappy justice system.  In American and Italy you find Gawd, get a PR company, get an agent and a really shifty lawyer who knows how to work the media, get a movie and a book deal and utterly deny everything whilst clutching your bible and quoting Jesus and weeping profusely.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2013, 10:32:44 AM »

A lot of the forensics were very dodgy, and the investigation was very badly handled.  Meredith's bra clasp wasn't found for six weeks, and was seen to be handled frequently by police officers, and dropped on the floor.  There was none of Meredith's blood found on the knife, although her DNA reportedly was.  But this would not be unusual as it came from the appartment where she was living.  Amanda's DNA was on the handle but she had taken it to Sollecito's flat.  Nothing particularly strange about that.
On balance I think they are both innocent, and there is certainly a huge doubt.
And just how many times does The Italian Judiciary want to put them on Trial.

debunker

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Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2013, 05:58:30 PM »
She is guilty.  The moment an American surrounds themselves with lawyers, starts finding Gawd and claims they cannot remember anything because they were off their heads on cocaine at the time they are guilty.

SO glad our justice system does not allow such ideas as yours to affect court cases. I truly hope you have nothing to do with justice systems.

Offline Outlook

Re: Is Amanda Knox really innocent?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2013, 10:27:16 PM »
I am entitled to my opinion, she is guilty and all the whining and self-pity and highly-paid lawyers cannot change that.  Injustices do happen but Knox is not one of them.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2013, 10:30:22 PM by Outlook »