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stephen25000

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Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #210 on: June 24, 2017, 01:55:02 PM »
IMO, one has to be very naive to entrust their children to a stranger in a locked private place with no-one coming back for X hours.

Especially to a stranger who has chosen a job which ensures s/he is near children

As I have said before, the vast majority of people chosing to work with children are normal kind and caring people.

However jobs with children are often chosen by paedophiles.  Thank goodness they are but a tiny minority.


Yet the Mccanns and the rest trusted the people at the crèche.


Yet they didn't know them either.

Offline misty

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #211 on: June 24, 2017, 02:41:41 PM »

Yet the Mccanns and the rest trusted the people at the crèche.


Yet they didn't know them either.

People working within UK childcare facilities have to have suitable qualifications & have DBS checks. There has to be a qualified first-aider available. The surroundings & equipment have to be secure & safe. MW childcare staff would have been vetted appropriately.

The average teenage babysitter in the UK does not have much, if any, appropriate training for dealing with emergency situations or assessing the risks within the home they are temporarily employed. Yet strangely some consider that totally acceptable simply because the babysitter is there!

Offline jassi

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #212 on: June 24, 2017, 02:48:24 PM »
People working within UK childcare facilities have to have suitable qualifications & have DBS checks. There has to be a qualified first-aider available. The surroundings & equipment have to be secure & safe. MW childcare staff would have been vetted appropriately.

The average teenage babysitter in the UK does not have much, if any, appropriate training for dealing with emergency situations or assessing the risks within the home they are temporarily employed. Yet strangely some consider that totally acceptable simply because the babysitter is there!

There was a BBC expose around that time that showed that this was not always the case
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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stephen25000

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Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #213 on: June 24, 2017, 02:49:12 PM »
People working within UK childcare facilities have to have suitable qualifications & have DBS checks. There has to be a qualified first-aider available. The surroundings & equipment have to be secure & safe. MW childcare staff would have been vetted appropriately.

The average teenage babysitter in the UK does not have much, if any, appropriate training for dealing with emergency situations or assessing the risks within the home they are temporarily employed. Yet strangely some consider that totally acceptable simply because the babysitter is there!


So tell me one simple thing.

Is it better to have someone looking after children, or no-one at all ?

Also, why didn't the McCann's and the others have a babysitter from the creche staff ?

They were available.

Offline sadie

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #214 on: June 24, 2017, 03:18:21 PM »

Yet the Mccanns and the rest trusted the people at the crèche.


Yet they didn't know them either.

There is a safety in a creche situation, in as much as there were other adult crech staff working there with additional people and parents popping in.  Also the door was not locked.

.... but in  a baby sitting situation, the sitter normally knows when the parents are returning, with often several uninterrupted hours on his/her own with the child/children.   There is an increased danger of child abuse in these circumstances


NEVER employ a stranger or near stranger as a baby sitter.

stephen25000

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Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #215 on: June 24, 2017, 03:22:04 PM »
There is a safety in a creche situation, in as much as there were other adults there with people and parents popping in.  Also the door was not locked.

.... and a baby sitting situation, the sitter normally knows when the parents are returning, with often several uninterrupted hours on his/her own with the child/children.


NEVER employ a stranger or near stranger as a baby sitter.

The people at the creche were strangers Sadie.

Are you trying to tell me people employed at the creche wouldn't have been checked. including having references.


Perhaps you can tell me which members of the creche staff had criminal records.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #216 on: June 24, 2017, 04:01:39 PM »
The people at the creche were strangers Sadie.

Are you trying to tell me people employed at the creche wouldn't have been checked. including having references.


Perhaps you can tell me which members of the creche staff had criminal records.

Apparently Mark Warner's award winning childcare wasn't up to standard at all times;

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Offline sadie

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #217 on: June 24, 2017, 05:14:40 PM »
The people at the creche were strangers Sadie.

Are you trying to tell me people employed at the creche wouldn't have been checked. including having references.


Perhaps you can tell me which members of the creche staff had criminal records.
As Misty says the MW Creche staff should have been trained and vetted, but that is the same in teaching and some with an unhealthy interest in children still slip thru the net.

I wonder if you deliberately chose to NOT understand what I was saying about the dangers of employing a stranger to baby sit YOUR child.  In Ocean Club, whether they were creche staff, teenagers or any other stranger the same criteria holds.


There is a vast difference between leaving your children with a relative stranger in a creche which is open for other staff and parents to visit at any time.  Also there is another staff crech nurse present all the time,

... in comparison to leaving a relative stranger alone in a locked place, your flat, with curtains drawn and knowledge that they are on their own to do what they wish for an uninterrupted period of several hours.

The dangers of leaving your child alone with someone who has consciously chosen to work with children are greater from the sexual abuse point of view, in that Paedos deliberately chose that sort of work to give them opportunities.  Thank God that the vast majority of people who chose to work with Children are normal kind and caring people.


A teenager on the other hand is less likely to be sexually interested, but unless having a bunch of younger siblings would be less able to look after that child if problems arose. 

Now I am doing this next bit from memory.
About 7-8 years ago I read up quite a lot about what motivates and starts the "interest in young children" urge.  The one thing that I remember was that it tended to start in the mid to later twenties.  This was for blokes.   Dunno about women.


To remind you, once an abuse has taken place, it is too late.  The damage is done. Better to be safe than sorry.




I hope that you are not going to use the "GRINDING DOWN" technique on me stephen, cos I dont feel inclined to keep typing for the sake of it. 

You have got some full and fairly comprehensive answers, stephen. why i think it dangerous to leave a stranger with YOUR children in an enclosed and hidden place like a curtained and locked flat with knowledge of how long you will be away.       


Please drop it now.



Offline Angelo222

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #218 on: June 24, 2017, 05:44:07 PM »

So tell me one simple thing.

Is it better to have someone looking after children, or no-one at all ?

Also, why didn't the McCann's and the others have a babysitter from the creche staff ?

They were available.

That's a good point, they could have had a sitter check on all the apartments, its not as if they needed three sitters.  For GP's they exhibited a worrying lack of common sense IMO.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 05:55:31 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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stephen25000

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Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #219 on: June 24, 2017, 06:00:46 PM »
As Misty says the MW Creche staff should have been trained and vetted, but that is the same in teaching and some with an unhealthy interest in children still slip thru the net.

I wonder if you deliberately chose to NOT understand what I was saying about the dangers of emplying a stranger to baby sit YOUR child.  In Ocean Club, whether they were creche staff, teenagers or any other stranger the same criteria holds.


There is a vast difference between leaving your children with a relative stranger in a creche which is open for other staff and parents to visit at any time + other staff present all the time,

... in comparison to leaving a relative stranger alone in a locked place, with curtains drawn and knowledge that they are on their own to do what they wish for an uninterrupted period of several hours.

The dangers of leaving your child alone with someone who has consciously chosen to work with children are greater from the sexual abuse point of view, in that Paedos deliberately chose that sort of work to give them opportunities.  Thank God that the vast majority of people who chose to work with Children are normal kind and caring people.


A teenager on the other hand is less likely to be sexually interested, but unless having a bunch of younger siblings would be less able to look after that child if problems arose. 

Now I am doing this next bit from memory.
About 7-8 years ago I read up quite a lot about what motivates and starts the "interest in young children" urge.  The one thing that I remember was that it tended to start in the mid to later twenties.  This was for blokes.   Dunno about women.

To remind you, once an abuse has taken place, it is too late.  The damage is done.  Better to be sagfe than sorry.




I hope that you are not going to use the "GRINDING DOWN" terchnique on me stephen, cos I dont feel inclined to keep typing for the sake of it. 

You have got some full and fairly comprehensive answers, stephen. why i think it dangerous to leave a stranger with YOUR children in an enclosed and hidden place like a curtained and locked flat with knowledge of how long you will be away.       


Please drop it now.


The 'grinding' is yours.

There is no excuse for what the Mccann's or their associates did.

It wasn't safe.

It wasn't in the back garden.

It was plain stupid.

As to the rest of your excuses, do you have stats to support your views, or is it mere rhetoric ?

Offline misty

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #220 on: June 24, 2017, 06:01:11 PM »

So tell me one simple thing.

Is it better to have someone looking after children, or no-one at all ?

Also, why didn't the McCann's and the others have a babysitter from the creche staff ?

They were available.

I answered most of that last night but you deleted my post for reasons best known to yourself.

Offline misty

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #221 on: June 24, 2017, 06:08:40 PM »
That's a good point, they could have had a sitter check on all the apartments, its not as if they needed three sitters.  For GP's they exhibited a worrying lack of common sense IMO.

.....and anyone intent on abducting a child from one of those apartments would have the opportunity while the babysitter checked in the others (that's if the babysitter could be bothered).
For anyone who thinks DBS checking & a profession are good means to ensure the stranger babysitting your children is a fine, upstanding citizen...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2881103/54-teachers-struck-nine-months-sexual-misconduct-pupils-including-sleeping-kissing-sexting.html
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 06:17:06 PM by misty »

Offline sadie

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #222 on: June 24, 2017, 06:22:25 PM »

The 'grinding' is yours.

There is no excuse for what the Mccann's or their associates did.

It wasn't safe.

It wasn't in the back garden.

It was plain stupid.

As to the rest of your excuses, do you have stats to support your views, or is it mere rhetoric ?





I  am not going thru it all again, over and over.

If you chose not to think that it was not like in a back garden, then that is up to you.  Your (?deliberate?) mistake.


But i have been there to the Tapas Restaurant, eaten a meal and seen 5a. 

I also had a back garden 50+ metres long and I could hear my kids even when I had my back to them ... and was involved in a jolly chat with several people over the back fence, with the background noise of the ring road .


I am going out now.

stephen25000

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Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #223 on: June 24, 2017, 06:31:55 PM »
I  am not going thru it all again, over and over.

If you chose not to think that it was not like in a back garden, then that is up to you.  Your (?deliberate?) mistake.


But i have been there to the Tapas Restaurant, eaten a meal and seen 5a. 

I also had a back garden 50+ metres long and I could hear my kids even when I had my back to them ... and was involved in a jolly chat with several people over the back fence, with the background noise of the ring road .


I am going out now.

It was not a back garden Sadie.

It was a restaurant and bar, for people in the complex and presumably others as well.

No more, no less.

They could not see their children, unless they went to check on them.

There are no excuses.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2017, 12:33:24 AM by John »

Offline jassi

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #224 on: June 24, 2017, 06:58:12 PM »
It was not a back garden Sadie.

It was a restaurant and bar, for people in the complex and presumably others as well.

No more, no less.

They could not see their children, unless they went to check on them.

There are no excuses.

A restaurant enclosed behind a high wall, no less, with one entrance/exit.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future