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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2017, 10:03:47 AM »
I suggested earlier that Tiago Barreiros may have written about the checking. Perhaps he realised what was happening when he worked on Tuesday and thought it needed to be recorded? 

When the table was reserved, nothing was mentioned about checking on the children and the only concern was in accommodating the entire group.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm
You would wonder how much of that was made up after the event.  When he says "This group would dine daily and always arrive around 20H30. They would leave the restaurant around 00H30."  Does he imply he was there every night to check what time they left?  On the night Madeleine  disappeared he left work around 5:30 PM.
"That on 2007.05.03 he began work around 09H30 and finished around 17H30, when he left the resort and returned again at 22H30, as already described previously."

How do we know he did not do that every day so that the following observation is someone else's as well "That he never noticed any walkie talkies or other sound devices on top of the table occupied by the group. He only noticed that occasionally one of the nine present would get up from the table and leave for a few minutes. He did not know where they went."  What day was that?  Was he there every night?  Every night except the 3rd?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2017, 10:18:28 AM »
I suggested earlier that Tiago Barreiros may have written about the checking. Perhaps he realised what was happening when he worked on Tuesday and thought it needed to be recorded? 

When the table was reserved, nothing was mentioned about checking on the children and the only concern was in accommodating the entire group.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm
G-unit how did you work out he worked on Tuesday?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2017, 01:50:50 PM »
The staff rotas are here;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

The top block shows the day time staff, apart from 'Tiago' who works evenings only on Tuesday and Friday. He appears to do this so the barman Joe can have a night off on Tuesday and a day shift on Friday. That suggests Tiago covered the bar, so he would know if the group stayed late on Tuesday as 00.30 is half an hour after his finishing time.

In his first statement Joe says they normally left between 23.00 and 24.00. He doesn't say they stayed late on 2nd, just that they had after dinner drinks.

In his rog statement he refers to that night again. He says;

 I believe that on the first or second night [it was actually the fourth night, allegedly] they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients......On the night in which they drank more than usual, they left a bit later, perhaps towards 00h30-01h00. I remember this detail because I was supposed to finish work at 00H00 and I wanted to go home.
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

Ricardo Oliveira (Cebola on the rota) says;

One or more of them, on another night, asked for an after-dinner drink. He remembers this clearly because they asked for Amareto and the bar did not stock it.

The witness served almond bitters to all. He remembers that this happened on Wednesday. He does not remember if they had more after-dinner drinks. He does remember that on Wednesday, certain elements of the group got up, with their after-dinner drinks, and headed to the bar and stayed there until about 00H00/00H10.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2017, 08:39:16 AM »
I don't think it is possible to make any definitive findings from these statements.  I will not be spending too much time on them.
The Book Madeleine by Kate McCann Page 56
 
Page56
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm
From “Madeleine” by Kate McCann:
 
It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.
 
The note mentioned is not on the DVD although Tapas reservation lists are here:  missing pages

So how did Kate get to see the note?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2017, 09:55:18 AM »
I don't think it is possible to make any definitive findings from these statements.  I will not be spending too much time on them.
The Book Madeleine by Kate McCann Page 56
 
Page56
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm
From “Madeleine” by Kate McCann:
 
It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.
 
The note mentioned is not on the DVD although Tapas reservation lists are here:  missing pages

So how did Kate get to see the note?

That would be an interesting question for her to answer. Here's an interesting snippet;

When asked he says that on a date he cannot remember, the group, just the adults because the children were dining with the nannies, had been too late in making their dinner reservation at the Tapas, and an exception was made, authorised by his boss Steve, as the Tapas only provides for 20 dinners for half board clients as was the case.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUIS_BARROS.htm

Steve was the Catering Manager, based at the Millenium but he oversaw all the on-site restaurants. He was absent from Portugal between Sunday 29th April and Wednesday 2nd May, so when was the exception requested and granted?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEVEN_COVA.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2017, 10:01:52 AM »
That would be an interesting question for her to answer. Here's an interesting snippet;

When asked he says that on a date he cannot remember, the group, just the adults because the children were dining with the nannies, had been too late in making their dinner reservation at the Tapas, and an exception was made, authorised by his boss Steve, as the Tapas only provides for 20 dinners for half board clients as was the case.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUIS_BARROS.htm

Steve was the Catering Manager, based at the Millenium but he oversaw all the on-site restaurants. He was absent from Portugal between Sunday 29th April and Wednesday 2nd May, so when was the exception requested and granted?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEVEN_COVA.htm
I think you actually answered your own question "When questioned he says he knows about the disappearance of the English girl Madeleine, which he found out about at around 02.00 on the morning of 4th May 2007, by means of a phone call he received from the resort manager, who said he had contacts with a person linked to the local radio station, with the aim of proceeding to spread the news about the girl's disappearance."  He would have been able to be contacted by phone.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2017, 10:26:20 AM »
I think you actually answered your own question "When questioned he says he knows about the disappearance of the English girl Madeleine, which he found out about at around 02.00 on the morning of 4th May 2007, by means of a phone call he received from the resort manager, who said he had contacts with a person linked to the local radio station, with the aim of proceeding to spread the news about the girl's disappearance."  He would have been able to be contacted by phone.

He doesn't say where he went outside Portugal, but would they really need to phone him in such a case? Was no-one covering his duties? He was back in Portugal and had returned to work when the resort manager phoned him.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
I don't think it is possible to make any definitive findings from these statements.  I will not be spending too much time on them.
The Book Madeleine by Kate McCann Page 56
 
Page56
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm
From “Madeleine” by Kate McCann:
 
It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.
 
The note mentioned is not on the DVD although Tapas reservation lists are here:  missing pages

So how did Kate get to see the note?

The Find Madeleine Fund paid for a professional translation of all the available files to which Kate had access as a matter of course ... those we have access to on the internet in my opinion are an irrelevance.
Quite simply it is as Kate says in her book, she got her information regarding the note, and probably a lot more besides, from the police files.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2017, 12:01:14 PM »
The Find Madeleine Fund paid for a professional translation of all the available files to which Kate had access as a matter of course ... those we have access to on the internet in my opinion are an irrelevance.
Quite simply it is as Kate says in her book, she got her information regarding the note, and probably a lot more besides, from the police files.

The files were placed on DVD's. It took ten days for the McCann's lawyers to receive their copy. I can think of no reason why the McCanns would receive a different copy than everyone else. Even professional translators can't translate something which isn't there.
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Offline Benice

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2017, 12:19:19 PM »
The Find Madeleine Fund paid for a professional translation of all the available files to which Kate had access as a matter of course ... those we have access to on the internet in my opinion are an irrelevance.
Quite simply it is as Kate says in her book, she got her information regarding the note, and probably a lot more besides, from the police files.

Kate also had access to the statements from the parents of the UK children who were sexually assaulted in their own bedrooms whilst on holiday.   She does state in her book that they were within the files in her possession.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2017, 12:47:44 PM »
Kate also had access to the statements from the parents of the UK children who were sexually assaulted in their own bedrooms whilst on holiday.   She does state in her book that they were within the files in her possession.
Maybe these were in the lot the UK police released to her?
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2017, 01:11:42 PM »
The files were placed on DVD's. It took ten days for the McCann's lawyers to receive their copy. I can think of no reason why the McCanns would receive a different copy than everyone else. Even professional translators can't translate something which isn't there.

Kate McCann has stated very clearly the source of her information ... the Policia Judiciaria files.

There is nothing questionable about the content of the files in her possession. 

Nota bene any suggestion that the McCanns "received a different copy than everyone else" or any suggestion that "something which isn't there" has been quoted is unacceptable.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2017, 03:18:02 PM »
Kate McCann has stated very clearly the source of her information ... the Policia Judiciaria files.

There is nothing questionable about the content of the files in her possession. 

Nota bene any suggestion that the McCanns "received a different copy than everyone else" or any suggestion that "something which isn't there" has been quoted is unacceptable.

It seems to be the thrust of many a supporters argument. I think it is safe  to say that any translation the McCanns paid is not materially different from the online files we have access to or we would have heard by now.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2017, 03:20:47 PM »
It seems to be the thrust of many a supporters argument. I think it is safe  to say that any translation the McCanns paid is not materially different from the online files we have access to or we would have heard by now.
In your opinion of course

My opinion is that the mccanns would not bother to correct much of the rubbish on the net
It would only prove to give such rubbish greater publicity
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Tapas Note.
« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2017, 03:22:26 PM »
Kate also had access to the statements from the parents of the UK children who were sexually assaulted in their own bedrooms whilst on holiday.   She does state in her book that they were within the files in her possession.

Possibly because they may have been reported to the McCanns hotline rather than the police.
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