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OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #165 on: May 08, 2015, 08:54:01 PM »
Why do police and other services reply dogs ?

Perhaps you should remind us.

Because they give indications of evidence above 50/50.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #166 on: May 08, 2015, 08:55:12 PM »
You seem to have spectacularly failed to appreciate the figures I posted earlier which show all the possibilities and associated probabilities. If it too hard for you, let me know and I can explain further.

Black Swan arguments do not work.

You have refused to address the mathematics of serial versus parallel testing.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #167 on: May 08, 2015, 08:56:42 PM »
Because they give indications of evidence above 50/50.

More than 100 human bone fragments were also found at the site with one piece identified as coming from a child's leg and another from a child's ear.
Tests showed some fragments were cut while others were burnt, suggesting that murders had taken place and the victims' bodies had possibly been cremated in a fireplace.
Police are looking into around 97 allegations of abuse in Jersey dating back to the early 1960s and have said there are more than 100 suspects.
Police excavated four secret underground chambers at the site, referred to as punishment rooms by some victims, and found shackles, a large bloodstained bath and children's teeth.
In one cellar officers found the disturbing message "I've been bad for years and years" scrawled on a wooden post.
Three men have been charged with sex abuse offences as part of the inquiry into historical abuse.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #168 on: May 08, 2015, 08:58:30 PM »
'People aren't right 100 per cent of the time. Otherwise they wouldn't be human.' (Martin Grime)

And dogs are not 100% right either.

How do you explain the NPIA and  ACPO comments:

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year.


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OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #169 on: May 08, 2015, 09:00:13 PM »
More than 100 human bone fragments were also found at the site with one piece identified as coming from a child's leg and another from a child's ear.
Tests showed some fragments were cut while others were burnt, suggesting that murders had taken place and the victims' bodies had possibly been cremated in a fireplace.
Police are looking into around 97 allegations of abuse in Jersey dating back to the early 1960s and have said there are more than 100 suspects.
Police excavated four secret underground chambers at the site, referred to as punishment rooms by some victims, and found shackles, a large bloodstained bath and children's teeth.
In one cellar officers found the disturbing message "I've been bad for years and years" scrawled on a wooden post.
Three men have been charged with sex abuse offences as part of the inquiry into historical abuse.



And the final finding was 'no crime'. As with Madeleine.

stephen25000

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #170 on: May 08, 2015, 09:03:06 PM »


And the final finding was 'no crime'. As with Madeleine.

The finding was inconclusive forensics.

Clearly a crime has been committed, one way or the other.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #171 on: May 08, 2015, 09:03:55 PM »
The finding was inconclusive forensics.

Clearly a crime has been committed, one way or the other.

Not necessarily. Woke and wandered.

Offline G-Unit

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #172 on: May 08, 2015, 09:11:34 PM »
And all academic research shows them to be considerably other than fallible.

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OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #173 on: May 08, 2015, 09:15:35 PM »
Links?

Links please to ANY blinded peer reviewed research that shows infallibility.

Science demands that positive claims need to be proved whereas sceptical claims are the null assumption.

Until infallibility is proved, science and forensics require that we assume fallibility.

stephen25000

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #174 on: May 08, 2015, 09:16:19 PM »
Not necessarily. Woke and wandered.

So you don't believe in abduction ?


Offline slartibartfast

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #175 on: May 08, 2015, 09:18:36 PM »
Black Swan arguments do not work.

You have refused to address the mathematics of serial versus parallel testing.

Why would I want to address it, I understand it?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #176 on: May 08, 2015, 09:20:26 PM »
So you don't believe in abduction ?

I have a totally open mind.

I am open to anything from Madeleine being killed in an act of devil worship by the Tapas 9 , through 'woke and wandered' to 'killed in the apartment' &%54% to abducted alive and the dog *&*%£ alerts being false.

All I require is evidence to make a decision. There is inadequate evidence to decide as every investigation so far has found.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #177 on: May 08, 2015, 09:21:29 PM »
Why would I want to address it, I understand it?

Then you accept that parallel tests deteriorate the certainty?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #178 on: May 08, 2015, 09:23:02 PM »
Then you accept that parallel tests deteriorate the certainty?

Parallel tests reduce the probability.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

OxfordBloo

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #179 on: May 08, 2015, 09:24:19 PM »
Parallel tests reduce the probability.

Reduce as in making certainty less likely?