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Offline jassi

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #315 on: May 11, 2015, 11:35:24 AM »
murder by definition involves a degree of premeditation...SY mentioned murder.....that must rule out the parents

I disagree. Murder is a term used somewhat loosely by the police - something is described as a 'murder inquiry' until it has been determined otherwise. E.G. Claudia Lawrence.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #316 on: May 11, 2015, 11:45:19 AM »
so you think murder by the parents...with a degree of premeditation....is a real possibility

All possibilities should be considered and investigated. If the child was murdered by an abductor or burglars would that involve premeditation?
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Offline jassi

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #317 on: May 11, 2015, 11:47:52 AM »
All possibilities should be considered and investigated. If the child was murdered by an abductor or burglars would that involve premeditation?


Probably not, else they would likely  have slaughtered the other children as well.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #318 on: May 11, 2015, 12:33:33 PM »
All possibilities should be considered and investigated. If the child was murdered by an abductor or burglars would that involve premeditation?

so should we consider alien abduction

Offline G-Unit

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #319 on: May 11, 2015, 12:53:07 PM »
so should we consider alien abduction

If you believe in aliens feel free. I don't.
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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #320 on: May 11, 2015, 05:37:55 PM »
T'was, strangely, you who mentioned the McCanns in connection with 'murder' not me.  &%+((£
What then is the significance, in your view, of the use of the word "murder" (which, as we know, was hastily corrected by the speaker)?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #321 on: May 11, 2015, 05:41:12 PM »
If true it would seem to indicate another dead line of inquiry, though I'm sure SY will find something to keep them in business as long as the money lasts.
You talk as if the Met is a company, dependent for its existence on investigations commissioned  and paid for by the private sector!

Offline jassi

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #322 on: May 11, 2015, 05:53:43 PM »
I was thinking specifically of Operation Grange, which is  funded by a grant entirely separate from normal Met funding.  When the funding dries up, so will the operation, unless the detectives solve Madeleine's disappearance before then.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #323 on: May 11, 2015, 06:11:57 PM »
If you believe in aliens feel free. I don't.

I think only an idiot would believe that there are no aliens in a universe that is practically infinite in size

Alfred R Jones

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #324 on: May 11, 2015, 06:15:21 PM »
I was thinking specifically of Operation Grange, which is  funded by a grant entirely separate from normal Met funding.  When the funding dries up, so will the operation, unless the detectives solve Madeleine's disappearance before then.
So what, it doesn't follow that all those involved in Op Grange will be made redundant does it?  So, why do you think they are spinning out the investigation in order to "keep them in business"?

Offline jassi

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #325 on: May 11, 2015, 06:19:49 PM »
While the detectives are being paid by Operation Grange, they are costing the Met nothing. Some of the team probably will be 'disposed off' when the operation winds down - retirement, natural wastage, whatever.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #326 on: May 11, 2015, 06:24:25 PM »
While the detectives are being paid by Operation Grange, they are costing the Met nothing. Some of the team probably will be 'disposed off' when the operation winds down - retirement, natural wastage, whatever.
So is it your contention that Operation Grange is just a money-spinning farce, designed solely to keep a few old codgers busy until they're put out to pasture, no results required?

Offline jassi

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #327 on: May 11, 2015, 06:28:49 PM »
So is it your contention that Operation Grange is just a money-spinning farce, designed solely to keep a few old codgers busy until they're put out to pasture, no results required?


Yeah, probably. I don't suppose they care too much about the old codgers, but  no result will certainly be in order.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #328 on: May 11, 2015, 06:38:10 PM »

Yeah, probably. I don't suppose they care too much about the old codgers, but  no result will certainly be in order.
And the reason why Operation Grange was allocated £10m + is...?

Offline Carana

Re: CSI and cadaver dogs - some facts and statistics.
« Reply #329 on: May 11, 2015, 06:39:06 PM »
While the detectives are being paid by Operation Grange, they are costing the Met nothing. Some of the team probably will be 'disposed off' when the operation winds down - retirement, natural wastage, whatever.

Quite possibly.

I doubt that all of the current staff assigned to the case work exclusively on the Madeleine case. Depending on their respective skills and time, they may be more in demand during some periods of high activity rather than at other times.

For example, if a priority in the early days was to to get some kind of HOLMES system organised or harmonised, then trained staff may well have worked full-time until the work was mainly done, with just updates to do when necessary. I doubt that those qualified staff would be sitting twiddling their thumbs while LOR negotiations are making excruciatingly slow progress through the wheels of bureaucracy. They may even be involved in training juniors for when they retire or simply be working on other cases while remaining on call when needed for Op Grange.

My impression that the moans about so many staff on Op Grange to the exclusion of other work was a bit of political spin by the police union in the run-up to the elections to point out their general grievances, which is to be expected.