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Offline Carana

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #150 on: May 19, 2015, 12:50:22 PM »
Tell the truth, can't go wrong.

Tell that to John.

Offline John

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #151 on: May 19, 2015, 12:50:48 PM »
Tell the truth, can't go wrong.

You would think that to be the case but in many situations the interrogators will be going into the interview having already made up their mind to proceed against you (my experience).  In those circumstances the best advice would be to say nothing as anything you do say will later be twisted out of all recognition.

An arguido has the right to a lawyer for a very good reason.  Carlos was basically between a stone and a hard place, he probably had a suspicion that the PJ were bluffing so invoking the right to silence was a no brainer.

« Last Edit: May 19, 2015, 01:02:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Montclair

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #152 on: May 19, 2015, 01:02:12 PM »
No matter which way you cut it, a Portuguese criminal lawyer saw fit to counsel the McCanns not to answer police questions during their arguido interviews for reasons best known to him.

AFAIK, there has been no confirmation that Carlos Pinto Abreu advised Kate not to answer the 48 questions. Only hearsay.

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Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #153 on: May 19, 2015, 01:02:51 PM »
Which ones in particular?

It's a long time since I looked at them so I can't answer that at the moment &%&£(+

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #154 on: May 19, 2015, 01:04:01 PM »
You would think that to be the case but in many situations the interrogators will be going into the interview having already made up their mind to proceed against you (my experience).  In those circumstances the best advice would be to say nothing as anything you do say will later be twisted out of all recognition.

An arguido has the right to a lawyer for a very good reason.

So you agree that using right to silence is a pretty good idea?  And that Kate was actually quite well advised?

Offline John

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #155 on: May 19, 2015, 01:04:35 PM »
AFAIK, there has been no confirmation that Carlos Pinto Abreu advised Kate not to answer the 48 questions. Only hearsay.

He was there with her Montclair, I think we would have heard by now if it was untrue.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #156 on: May 19, 2015, 01:05:05 PM »
You would think that to be the case but in many situations the interrogators will be going into the interview having already made up their mind to proceed against you (my experience).  In those circumstances the best advice would be to say nothing as anything you do say will later be twisted out of all recognition.

An arguido has the right to a lawyer for a very good reason.  Carlos was basically between a stone and a hard place.  He probably has a suspicion that the PJ were bluffing so invoking the right to silence was a no brained.

So... do you agree that - in the circumstances - the fact that Kate followed his advice (or independently chose not to answer them) was a sensible decision?

Offline John

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #157 on: May 19, 2015, 01:06:21 PM »
So you agree that using right to silence is a pretty good idea?  And that Kate was actually quite well advised?

Yes and no.  Yes it was good advice as a failsafe but no since it looks bad to the outside observer.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #158 on: May 19, 2015, 01:07:37 PM »
AFAIK, there has been no confirmation that Carlos Pinto Abreu advised Kate not to answer the 48 questions. Only hearsay.

Are you by any chance related to Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, Montclair?


Offline John

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2015, 01:08:11 PM »
So... do you agree that - in the circumstances - the fact that Kate followed his advice (or independently chose not to answer them) was a sensible decision?

Maybe at the time it was but just look at how much controversy it has caused.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2015, 01:09:25 PM »
Yes and no.  Yes it was good advice as a failsafe but no since it looks bad to the outside observer.

Have a good look at those questions, John. ;)

And read them alongside TdeA's "report"...

Offline Carana

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2015, 01:10:22 PM »
Yes and no.  Yes it was good advice as a failsafe but no since it looks bad to the outside observer.

Are we back to the court of public opinion again?

Offline Montclair

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2015, 01:12:53 PM »
He was there with her Montclair, I think we would have heard by now if it was untrue.

Why would the lawyer tell the public that. He has remained very quiet about this case from the day she was questioned.

Offline Lace

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2015, 01:17:24 PM »

 All what evidence? 

The PJ's claim to Carlos that samples  from the apartment and the car had revealed Madeleine's blood?

The crumpled page the police had discovered in her friends bible which they appeared to think was her bible?

The fact that she had asked for a priest?  Apparently people in Portugal don't talk to priests in times of need as we do in this country, only when they want forgiveness.

A witness claimed to have seen them both carrying a big black bag and acting suspiciously?  The fact that this was untrue, and it would have been a case of one person's word against another - apparently didn't matter.
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The above is the 'evidence Carlos was referring to  when he said it was enough to put them in prison!

All I can say is if that's what they consider to be 'evidence' sufficient to put someone in prison in Portugal - then I'm gobsmacked.

I'm surprised that list of 'evidence'  didn't include Amarals belief that saying...  'we've let someone down'.. is another way for UK doctors to say someone has died -  IIRC.

Not only did they have an arguido suspected of being implicated in torture as lead investigator  - as well as the language barrier to contend with - and being subjected to a vicious campaign via the press -  they also had the differences in our cultures actually being used as evidence against them.

Unbelievable ignorance and incompetence IMO.     No wonder the McCanns despaired at that moment.

Yes, Benice you can really understand why they despaired can't you,  and why Kate's lawyer advised Kate not to answer the questions.   Things were being twisted to mean other things.

Offline Carana

Re: Does invoking the right to silence carry with it significant risk?
« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2015, 01:24:43 PM »
Why would the lawyer tell the public that. He has remained very quiet about this case from the day she was questioned.

That might be something connected to professional rules of confidentiality?

On this occasion the police officers were right to be angry. Like many things said about the McCann affair over the past days and months, the story was wrong. There was no offer of a plea bargain. It had all been "a misunderstanding", the McCann lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, explained the following day.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/sep/17/mondaymediasection13



Course not... who could possibly think such a thing? ;)

So what exactly was the "misunderstanding"?