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[misty]

I agree after the searches, with people frequently coming and going .... and even examining the shutters .... and probably going in and out of 5A via the front door quite often.   At that stage 5A would be the focus of everyones attention.


But I do think thta it was just about possible for a smallish man to have carried Madeleine , more or less hidden from view by that wall at times when  no-one was around much.   Same as I can understand why nobody noticed that the shutters were slightly lifted.


I dont think it happened tho.  I think that she was passed over that wall by the lifter to Tannerman.

Sadie - do you think your watcher on the balcony of Block 4 gave the abductor the all-clear when Jez was walking up the road? There was no real gap in time between Gerry exiting the rear gate & Jez stopping.
Jane missed crossing paths with Tannerman by seconds - if Jez had not stopped to chat to Gerry he would have been at least at the top of the road when Tannerman crossed the junction.

[pegasus]

The shutters were fully raised Sadie.
Back on topic, IMO various places in the apartment were far from fully searched. For example IMO the clasp bag was either in a drawer, or in the wardrobe, exactly as honestly stated. But the GNR/PJ that night probably didn't notice it because they never searched all the drawers and wardrobe shelves IMO.

[sadie]

Sadie - do you think your watcher on the balcony of Block 4 gave the abductor the all-clear when Jez was walking up the road? There was no real gap in time between Gerry exiting the rear gate & Jez stopping.
Jane missed crossing paths with Tannerman by seconds - if Jez had not stopped to chat to Gerry he would have been at least at the top of the road when Tannerman crossed the junction.

misty - It is important to realise that the balcony on Block 4 is set back about a metre.  This means that a watcher there, whilst having wonderful sight in almost every direction, cannot see anyone coming up the road on the same side as block 4.  Cos Block 4 building is in the way.  No view there at all.   He didn't know Jez was there - out of sight.

I also think it is important to realise that the street lamp immediately opposite the steps up to 5A is also very close to Block 4 balcony.  The watcher would want to keep out of the light , in the shadow.

I think he saw Gerry leave 5A opposite, immediately signalled the lifter and Tannerman [flash of his torch?] to go ahead and then without hesitation, he left the balcony and headed for the getaway vehicle.  This involved going down internal stairs and thru corridors out into the back garden of block 4.   And doing it quietly.

Thru the back garden and out of the back gate to the get away vehicle.  I think this was parked near the gate on the liittle car park opposite the Tapas Reception.



The wall in front of those parked cars is high.   I dont think he even realsed that Jez and Gerry were chatting, just around the corner, JUST out of sight.

Earlier, to see the spot on the corner of the alleyway and astride the gutter, he would have had to leave the shadow on the balcony.  So I dont think he bothered to watch Gerry after he left and he was totally unaware of Jez.


It had been practiced imo and it was planned to perfection.




The shock came when Jane T appeared and he tried to drive up for pick up, first seeing Gerry and Jez in the way, then seeing Jane witnessing Tannerman with Madeleine.


I think he hot footed it off in the get-away vehicle, driving south and leaving Tannerman in the lurch.



These are just my thoughts but they could be the way that things happened.   Everything is feasible

[pegasus]

A cunning plan Sadie, except there is no communal way to get through block 6 like that. Your lookout/driver would need to have rented an apartment there to do that.
BTW, in this theory of yours, what was the motive of your perps?

[misty]

misty - It is important to realise that the balcony on Block 4 is set back about a metre.  This means that a watcher there, whilst having wonderful sight in almost every direction, cannot see anyone coming up the road on the same side as block 4.  Cos Block 4 building is in the way.  No view there at all.   He didn't know Jez was there - out of sight.

I also think it is important to realise that the street lamp immediately opposite the steps up to 5A is also very close to Block 4 balcony.  The watcher would want to keep out of the light , in the shadow.

I think he saw Gerry leave 5A opposite, immediately signalled the lifter and Tannerman [flash of his torch?] to go ahead and then without hesitation, he left the balcony and headed for the getaway vehicle.  This involved going down internal stairs and thru corridors out into the back garden of block 4.   And doing it quietly.

Thru the back garden and out of the back gate to the get away vehicle.  I think this was parked near the gate on the liittle car park opposite the Tapas Reception.



The wall in front of those parked cars is high.   I dont think he even realsed that Jez and Gerry were chatting, just around the corner, JUST out of sight.

Earlier, to see the spot on the corner of the alleyway and astride the gutter, he would have had to leave the shadow on the balcony.  So I dont think he bothered to watch Gerry after he left and he was totally unaware of Jez.


It had been practiced imo and it was planned to perfection.




The shock came when Jane T appeared and he tried to drive up for pick up, first seeing Gerry and Jez in the way, then seeing Jane witnessing Tannerman with Madeleine.


I think he hot footed it off in the get-away vehicle, driving south and leaving Tannerman in the lurch.



These are just my thoughts but they could be the way that things happened.   Everything is feasible

Sorry - Pegasus has just pointed out correctly it was a Block 6 balcony.
I thought the balcony was the public one at the end of the rear of the block (where the press took a photo from)  and there was a excellent view of the Tapas Bar exit and the road. My laptop went kaput a few weeks ago & I  lost all my saved images. I can't find the photo online atm.
Where was Jez coming from, exactly?

[sadie]

A cunning plan Sadie, except there is no communal way to get through block 6 like that. Your lookout/driver would need to have rented an apartment there to do that.
BTW, in this theory of yours, what was the motive of your perps?

Jeez, block 6 not block 4 !   Both Misty and I got it wrong.
 *&*%£ 
My excuse is a senior moment.  What's yours misty ? 


Now I thought that there was a way thru.  Yonks ago, someone somewhere said so, but I dont actually know if that is true.

How many flats are there on each floor?

Guess they could have rented a flat, or even opened a flat illicitly, if they have access to keys, as they seem to have.

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Reason:  Abduction of a little girl, in this case to order.

The same as the string of abductions since 1991 , roughly one every two years., but not to order generally previously.



I would like to point out that this is not my main theory.  None of this has gone to SY, but it did seem quite feasible... and still is with stolen or borrowed keys and illicit entry to a flat in the building. 

[pegasus]

There are 5 on the ground floor

[sadie]

Sorry - Pegasus has just pointed out correctly it was a Block 6 balcony.
I thought the balcony was the public one at the end of the rear of the block (where the press took a photo from)  and there was a excellent view of the Tapas Bar exit and the road. My laptop went kaput a few weeks ago & I  lost all my saved images. I can't find the photo online atm.
Where was Jez coming from, exactly?

Yep it is a sort of public one, but the public would have to be awfully cheeky to use it.   But there is open access from the garden at the Northern end of the building.   I wouldn't dream of going up there if I didn't live there as it is not intended for public use, I think.   It is situated immediately across the road from the patio area of, and steps up to 5A.


By leaning out , even standing in the NW corner of the balcony , the Tapas restaurant and bar can be seen, but then any watcher would be exposed to the full light from the street lamp.  I dont think they would do that .


This is part of the view from there.  However, a watcher keeping in the shadows would not be able to view so far to the left.  He would have to lean out or move north into the light of the street lamp to see all this.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/6oct7/officer-stan-9167_small.jpg


Sorry the image is so small.  I couldn't find the normal sized image .... seem to have been wiped


ETA.  Have gone into Mccannfiles as Shining suggested, but the image there is small too !   Why the change?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/zzrearaptd.jpg.w180h135.jpg





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[sadie]

Sorry - Pegasus has just pointed out correctly it was a Block 6 balcony.
I thought the balcony was the public one at the end of the rear of the block (where the press took a photo from)  and there was a excellent view of the Tapas Bar exit and the road. My laptop went kaput a few weeks ago & I  lost all my saved images. I can't find the photo online atm.
Where was Jez coming from, exactly?

Jez was coming from the little car park opposite the Tapas Reception, but I think [needs checking] that he had walked north on the eastern pavement to get there..   He was totally out of sight to the watcher.

[ShiningInLuz]

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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/6oct7/officer-stan-9167_small.jpg


Sorry the image is so small.  I couldn't find the normal sized image .... seem to have been wiped



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It's on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

[misty]

@ShiningInLuz

Do you know exactly where the laundry store/garage near Fuji Palms, as referred to by Stephen Carpenter in his rogatory, is located?

[sadie]

It's on http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

Cheers Shining.

I went into Mccannfiles but couldn't find it


ETA.  Have just done as you suggested and it is very small there too.  I wonder why?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/zzrearaptd.jpg.w180h135.jpg


IT USED TO BE BIG

[ShiningInLuz]

@ShiningInLuz

Do you know exactly where the laundry store/garage near Fuji Palms, as referred to by Stephen Carpenter in his rogatory, is located?

Sorry, no.

The cleaners talk about having their lunch in the laundry area.  This suggests it was on the Ocean Club, but no-one says where.

Parking a laundry van outside Fuji Palms makes perfect sense.  It is the easiest way to get laundry in/out to/from the Palms complex.  Personally, I'd reckon this person was Mario Marreiros, but I cannot be sure, plus Mario had every right to be there.

As to the garage....   Hmmmn.  AFAIK, Mario lived outside Luz, so I don't think he is Garageman.

[pegasus]

Sorry, no.

The cleaners talk about having their lunch in the laundry area.  This suggests it was on the Ocean Club, but no-one says where.

Parking a laundry van outside Fuji Palms makes perfect sense.  It is the easiest way to get laundry in/out to/from the Palms complex.  Personally, I'd reckon this person was Mario Marreiros, but I cannot be sure, plus Mario had every right to be there.

As to the garage....   Hmmmn.  AFAIK, Mario lived outside Luz, so I don't think he is Garageman.

The OC laundry was in same set of buildings as Tapas IMO.
The town also had normal laundries open to general public.

[sadie]

The OC laundry was in same set of buildings as Tapas IMO.
The town also had normal laundries open to general public.

You may be right, but to me that doesn't make sense.


Why take mountains of washing such a long way from the nearest parking place.   


It is also a beautiful part of the complex.  Why mar it with laundry being wheeled to and fro .... and the sounds and smells of a laundry?   As far as I aware there is only one way into the Tapas area and that is thru the tapas receptioon with steps on either side, thius difficulties for wheeled laundry carriers.


I always wondered, and it is only wondered, if the laundry was just south of Robert Murats mums villa in the buildings there?   There is quite a wide walkway/road alongside the Murats, and it finishes at a dead end IIRC.

Surely the laundry would be close to a vehicle parking place?