Search areas: who searched where, when and how

[pegasus]

One the one hand you seem to be saying Madeleine was overlooked in the apartment when it was searched, and on the other you are saying it would have been impossible for searchers to miss her - so, what exactly ARE you saying?

I'm just interested in the psychology of interior search Alfred.
I wasn't proposing any theory - the only theory I have only gets as far as the bedroom door.

[pegasus]

One the one hand you seem to be saying Madeleine was overlooked in the apartment when it was searched, and on the other you are saying it would have been impossible for searchers to miss her - so, what exactly ARE you saying?

I'm just interested in the psychology of search Alfred.
I wasn't proposing any theory - the only theory I have only gets as far as the bedroom door.

[Alfred R Jones]

OK then Pegasus, sorry if I misunderstood.

[pegasus]

OK then Pegasus, sorry if I misunderstood.

IMO much is gained in ideas by reading other cases.
For example I've posted several cases where a search helicopter was (as in PDL) deployed but did not locate the target. This may not seem very interesting, but it is, because these helicopters have heat vision, and a recently missing target always emits heat. 

[Brietta]

IMO much is gained in ideas by reading other cases.
For example I've posted several cases where a search helicopter was (as in PDL) deployed but did not locate the target. This may not seem very interesting, but it is, because these helicopters have heat vision, and a recently missing target always emits heat.

Ah ... but was that heat seeking equipment deployed when looking for Madeleine?

I seem to remember one of the retired detectives in one of the videos (Channel 4??) regretting that it had not been.

[jassi]

IMO much is gained in ideas by reading other cases.
For example I've posted several cases where a search helicopter was (as in PDL) deployed but did not locate the target. This may not seem very interesting, but it is, because these helicopters have heat vision, and a recently missing target always emits heat.

Not much use in detecting a dead body though.

[pegasus]

Not much use in detecting a dead body though.

Very useful - in two ways
If in the open, for the first period the temperature is directly detectable by specialist imaging from the air.
If buried, the fact the surface has been recently disturbed is detectable by specialist imaging from the air.

[jassi]

Very useful - in two ways
If in the open, for the first period the temperature is directly detectable by specialist imaging from the air.
If buried, the fact the surface has been recently disturbed is detectable by specialist imaging from the air.

How long was it before any helicopters were deployed?

[pegasus]

How long was it before any helicopters were deployed?

Good question we need an exact answer.
I found someone mentioning helicopters overhead afternoon 4th.

[sadie]

Very useful - in two ways
If in the open, for the first period the temperature is directly detectable by specialist imaging from the air.
If buried, the fact the surface has been recently disturbed is detectable by specialist imaging from the air.

I believe Madeleine to be still alive and physically well, altho her mental state might have been altered to lose her memory.

Should she have died and have been emitting heat [have i got that right, do bodies emit heat?] then being so petite, would it have amounted to much?   Enough to be picked up by specialist imaging from the air?

Anyone know?

[pegasus]

In that hypothetical scenario, for an initial period
"... the temperature ... is elevated above the ambient temperature and may be detected by FLIR (Forward Looking Infra Red) ... mounted on a helicopter .... most effective for surface recoveries and expedient graves"

[sadie]

In that hypothetical scenario, for an initial period
"... the temperature ... is elevated above the ambient temperature and may be detected by FLIR (Forward Looking Infra Red) ... mounted on a helicopter .... most effective for surface recoveries and expedient graves"

Thanks Pegasus. 

But with such a small child?

[pegasus]

Thanks Pegasus. 

But with such a small child?

IMO FLIR can detect a temperature difference of about 1 deg Sadie.

[jassi]

I wonder how many hours before an exposed corpse reaches ambient temperature ?

[pegasus]

I wonder how many hours before an exposed corpse reaches ambient temperature ?

I don't know.
FLIR imaging depends on the difference in temperature between the target and the surrounding ground.
This is why it works best at night when the ground cools more than the target (with internal heat generation) cools.