Unauthorized objects found in PJ and PSP interview rooms.

[Jean-Pierre]

As a Portuguese citizen all I can say is that I have never heard of this report and never seen anything about this in the newspapers.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/prt/2009-13-inf-eng.htm#_Toc205803677

I think the difference is that some of us are realistic about the totally unacceptable level of behaviour in certain UK police forces, prisons and detention centres and do not go for the head in the sand, "total denial of any problems" attitude.

In answer to a previous question CPT stands for

European Committee

for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman

or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

Finally, in the interests of balance, here is the link to the equivalent reports for the UK

http://www.cpt.coe.int/en/states/gbr.htm

[Jean-Pierre]

Just to add a bit of balance:
snip<<<<
A team of 30 detectives from the Metropolitan Police, headed by Commander John Cass, conducted an internal investigation of Peach's death. The pathologist's report indicated that Peach's broken skull was not the result of being struck by a truncheon, and he suggested Peach may have been struck by a lead weighted rubber cosh or hosepipe filled with lead shot; unauthorised weapons.[8] Cass' investigation of the Met's Special Patrol Group (SPG) headquarters unearthed a hoard of unauthorised weapons, including various illegal truncheons and knives, two crowbars, a whip, a 3 ft wooden stave, and a lead-weighted leather stick.[8] An officer was discovered attempting to dispose of a metal cosh; however, it was proven not to be the weapon that killed Peach.[8] Another officer was discovered to be a Nazi supporter.[8] It was also uncovered that one officer present at the riots, who was clean shaven on 23 April, decided to grow a beard,[10] whilst another shaved off his moustache which he had sported on 23 April, the day of Peach's death.[11] Another officer refused to participate in an identity parade,[11] and all the police officers' uniforms had been dry cleaned before they were to be inspected.[11] snip>>>>
snip<<<<< The reports into the death of Blair Peach were published on the Metropolitan Police website on 27 April 2010. The conclusion was that Blair Peach was killed by a police officer, but that the other police officers in the same unit had refused to cooperate with the inquiry by lying to investigators,[18] making it impossible to identify the actual killer.[19] snip>>>>

Wait for the posts justifying it or saying how it doesn't count 

You may have a bit of a wait there Alice.  I have not seen anyone defending the shameful record of the UK police, and the treatment of some in custody or detention centres.

However, Portuguese posters have consistently maintained that no problems could possibly occur in Portugal. 

[DCI]

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/prt/2009-13-inf-eng.htm#_Toc205803677

I think the difference is that some of us are realistic about the totally unacceptable level of behaviour in certain UK police forces, prisons and detention centres and do not go for the head in the sand, "total denial of any problems" attitude.

In answer to a previous question CPT stands for

European Committee

for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman

or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

Finally, in the interests of balance, here is the link to the equivalent reports for the UK

http://www.cpt.coe.int/en/states/gbr.htm

I was reading all of this report last night. The response of the Portuguese Government is quite interesting JP.
Shame about not wanting to put up CCTV for interrogations!

[Jean-Pierre]

I was reading all of this report last night. The response of the Portuguese Government is quite interesting JP.
Shame about not wanting to put up CCTV for interrogations!

I think the reasons are pretty obvious.  I believe the "interviews" were not tape recorded either - just a written record.   Just like the old days!

Tape and video have made a hell of a difference here.   

[Alfred R Jones]

Just to add a bit of balance:
snip<<<<
A team of 30 detectives from the Metropolitan Police, headed by Commander John Cass, conducted an internal investigation of Peach's death. The pathologist's report indicated that Peach's broken skull was not the result of being struck by a truncheon, and he suggested Peach may have been struck by a lead weighted rubber cosh or hosepipe filled with lead shot; unauthorised weapons.[8] Cass' investigation of the Met's Special Patrol Group (SPG) headquarters unearthed a hoard of unauthorised weapons, including various illegal truncheons and knives, two crowbars, a whip, a 3 ft wooden stave, and a lead-weighted leather stick.[8] An officer was discovered attempting to dispose of a metal cosh; however, it was proven not to be the weapon that killed Peach.[8] Another officer was discovered to be a Nazi supporter.[8] It was also uncovered that one officer present at the riots, who was clean shaven on 23 April, decided to grow a beard,[10] whilst another shaved off his moustache which he had sported on 23 April, the day of Peach's death.[11] Another officer refused to participate in an identity parade,[11] and all the police officers' uniforms had been dry cleaned before they were to be inspected.[11] snip>>>>
snip<<<<< The reports into the death of Blair Peach were published on the Metropolitan Police website on 27 April 2010. The conclusion was that Blair Peach was killed by a police officer, but that the other police officers in the same unit had refused to cooperate with the inquiry by lying to investigators,[18] making it impossible to identify the actual killer.[19] snip>>>>

Wait for the posts justifying it or saying how it doesn't count 

What year did this occur?

[DCI]

What year did this occur?

1979, Alfred.

[Alfred R Jones]

1979, Alfred.

I thought so.  A significant percentage of the current British police force were not even born when this incident occurred, and appalling as it undoubtedly was, it has no relevance whatsoever to unauthorisrd objects found in PJ interview rooms in the last few years.

[Alice Purjorick]

I thought so.  A significant percentage of the current British police force were not even born when this incident occurred, and appalling as it undoubtedly was, it has no relevance whatsoever to unauthorisrd objects found in PJ interview rooms in the last few years.

I think the relevance is taking 30 years to own to up to it.

[Alfred R Jones]

I think the relevance is taking 30 years to own to up to it.

So the British Police taking 30 years to own up to the death of Blair Peach is relevant to the subject of unauthorised items found in police interview rooms in Portugal in the 21st century because...?

[pegasus]

... in the interview rooms of the two Judicial Police stations visited...

Were the two police stations selected for inspection because of serious complaints about them, or were the two police stations chosen randomly?

 

[Jean-Pierre]

Were the two police stations selected for inspection because of serious complaints about them, or were the two police stations chosen randomly?

The usual CPT rules are that a number of establishments are chosen at random from a complete list provided by the authorities.  These are then subject to inspection. 

In addition, places where particular problems have occurred can also be selected.  In this case, some reference may be made in the report to previous concerns or complaints.

The inspections are very thorough - it is one of the things the EU actually does rather well.

[Mr Gray]

Do we have any figures for death in custody in Portugal and the reason for the deaths. From what I can see many deaths in the UK are due to restraint. Uk police would not dare to use the level of violence seen in the Cipriano case and have to resort to restraint which can be far more dangerous to a really agitated, powerful prisoner.

[stephen25000]

Do we have any figures for death in custody in Portugal and the reason for the deaths. From what I can see many deaths in the UK are due to restraint. Uk police would not dare to use the level of violence seen in the Cipriano case and have to resort to restraint which can be far more dangerous to a really agitated, powerful prisoner.

Restraint ???


Time for research dave.

[Mr Gray]

Restraint ???


Time for research dave.

You only have to look at the cases to see that what I am saying is true...do you understand what restraint is?

[stephen25000]

You only have to look at the cases to see that what I am saying is true...do you understand what restraint is?

Indeed I do.

Unfortunately, perhaps you should read up on cases of UK Police brutality.

and don't say it doesn't happen.

Just to get started...............


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_Kingdom

and

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/over-3000-police-officers-being-investigated-for-alleged-assault--and-almost-all-of-them-are-still-on-the-beat-10220091.html