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Offline Lace

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #405 on: June 11, 2015, 11:32:43 AM »
No Alfred. Like a lot of the McCann's stories it developed over time. Like the curtains which were open..then closed.


Kate said Madeleine asked 'why didn't you come when Sean and me cried'.

What curtains that were open then closed?

Offline Eleanor

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #406 on: June 11, 2015, 11:37:55 AM »

TOPIC.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #407 on: June 11, 2015, 12:17:23 PM »
TOPIC.

Hi Eleanor. Could you please explain who is off topic and how? I'm confused. &%+((£
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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #408 on: June 11, 2015, 12:18:46 PM »
Hi Eleanor. Could you please explain who is off topic and how? I'm confused. &%+((£

same   &%+((£

Offline Eleanor

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #409 on: June 11, 2015, 12:26:25 PM »
Hi Eleanor. Could you please explain who is off topic and how? I'm confused. &%+((£

No.  Sorry.

"The Parents of a Missing Child Don't Matter."  That seems plain enough to me.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #410 on: June 11, 2015, 01:43:23 PM »

Kate said Madeleine asked 'why didn't you come when Sean and me cried'.

What curtains that were open then closed?

It is changes in the story such as these which have prevented some people from empathising with the McCanns. as I have said, the parents of a stolen child matter, but this case involves a missing child who was last seen by her parents;

She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

The possible missed chance came at breakfast on the day Madeleine vanished, when the little girl disconcerted her mother by asking: ‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I cried last night?’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384828/Kate-McCann-fears-daughter-Madeleine-tried-warn-intruder.html#ixzz3cko6CqHw
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as I went back in, the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn,… were closed, … whoosh … It was like a gust of wind, kinda, just blew them open
http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/kate-mccann-further-re-writing-of.html

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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #411 on: June 11, 2015, 03:18:08 PM »
It is changes in the story such as these which have prevented some people from empathising with the McCanns. as I have said, the parents of a stolen child matter, but this case involves a missing child who was last seen by her parents;

She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

The possible missed chance came at breakfast on the day Madeleine vanished, when the little girl disconcerted her mother by asking: ‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I cried last night?’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384828/Kate-McCann-fears-daughter-Madeleine-tried-warn-intruder.html#ixzz3cko6CqHw
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as I went back in, the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn,… were closed, … whoosh … It was like a gust of wind, kinda, just blew them open
http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/kate-mccann-further-re-writing-of.html
All highly significant, I'm sure, if you could only come up with any reason at all why Kate would "change her story" about these events.  Anything at all will do, you have carte blanche to invent one now, to put to the plausibility test. 

Offline Eleanor

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #412 on: June 11, 2015, 03:25:11 PM »
All highly significant, I'm sure, if you could only come up with any reason at all why Kate would "change her story" about these events.  Anything at all will do, you have carte blanche to invent one now, to put to the plausibility test.

Only as long as it's On Topic.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #413 on: June 11, 2015, 03:59:15 PM »
All highly significant, I'm sure, if you could only come up with any reason at all why Kate would "change her story" about these events.  Anything at all will do, you have carte blanche to invent one now, to put to the plausibility test.

I prefer not to speculate because only the person involved knows why she changed her stories. I'm just pointing out that the changing stories are one of the reasons why some people aren't feeling the sympathy that others feel for these parents.
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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #414 on: June 11, 2015, 04:05:21 PM »
I prefer not to speculate because only the person involved knows why she changed her stories. I'm just pointing out that the changing stories are one of the reasons why some people aren't feeling the sympathy that others feel for these parents.
Then may I respectfully suggest that those people who cannot get their heads around how an account can change subtly from the witness, to the statement taker, via the translator and back again, need to get a serious grip on reality.  How anyone can claim that their sympathy for the parents of a missing child evaporated because of these slight, completely understandable (given the circumstances) discrepancies is beyond me. 

Offline G-Unit

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #415 on: June 11, 2015, 05:20:47 PM »
Then may I respectfully suggest that those people who cannot get their heads around how an account can change subtly from the witness, to the statement taker, via the translator and back again, need to get a serious grip on reality.  How anyone can claim that their sympathy for the parents of a missing child evaporated because of these slight, completely understandable (given the circumstances) discrepancies is beyond me.

I can assure you that I have no problem in identifying what's real and what isn't. You may see changing stories as slight and understandable, I don't. There are more examples of changing stories but these two are particularly interesting because they were told so often, with actions. I wonder why, when the PJ files were examined, Kate McCann didn't notice that her story of slamming doors and closed curtains blowing in the wind contradicted what she said the morning after the event? Same with her daughter's comment, retold frequently, which was different to how she first reported it.
We all have our opinions and mine is that their accounts lack credibility and therefore it's difficult to be sympathetic.
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Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #416 on: June 11, 2015, 05:35:53 PM »
I can assure you that I have no problem in identifying what's real and what isn't. You may see changing stories as slight and understandable, I don't. There are more examples of changing stories but these two are particularly interesting because they were told so often, with actions. I wonder why, when the PJ files were examined, Kate McCann didn't notice that her story of slamming doors and closed curtains blowing in the wind contradicted what she said the morning after the event? Same with her daughter's comment, retold frequently, which was different to how she first reported it.
We all have our opinions and mine is that their accounts lack credibility and therefore it's difficult to be sympathetic.
There is no plausible, logical reason for Kate to lie about these fairly minor details, and therefore the only logical plausible explanation for the slight contradictions is human fallibility, not mendacity.   Perhaps the problem here is that I see the McCanns as ordinary human beings, whilst you view them as something other, something slightly malevolent, scheming, selfish, uncaring and that is why you find it easy to disbelieve every word they say and to have no sympathy for them. 

Offline Eleanor

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #417 on: June 11, 2015, 08:53:09 PM »
I can assure you that I have no problem in identifying what's real and what isn't. You may see changing stories as slight and understandable, I don't. There are more examples of changing stories but these two are particularly interesting because they were told so often, with actions. I wonder why, when the PJ files were examined, Kate McCann didn't notice that her story of slamming doors and closed curtains blowing in the wind contradicted what she said the morning after the event? Same with her daughter's comment, retold frequently, which was different to how she first reported it.
We all have our opinions and mine is that their accounts lack credibility and therefore it's difficult to be sympathetic.

Does this mean that you think that the parent's of this particular child don't matter?

Offline mercury

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #418 on: June 11, 2015, 10:05:58 PM »
The parents only matter if they are suspects otherwise the child is paramount, as its not the parents who are MISSING!!!

Offline Eleanor

Re: The parents of a missing child don't matter.
« Reply #419 on: June 11, 2015, 10:46:50 PM »
The parents only matter if they are suspects otherwise the child is paramount, as its not the parents who are MISSING!!!

And The Parents  aren't Suspects.