The parents of a missing child don't matter.

[Mr Gray]

Why would I personally gain, and why would I want to gain? I mention their (lack of) parenting skills because others constantly refer to them as loving parents who cherished their adored children. Funny way of showing it imo. Old sayings spring to mind; 'handsome is as handsome does'or 'actions speak louder than words'.

“I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.”
― John Locke

making things uo again to try and justify your nastiness

[Brietta]

If children are used to being put into creches so parents can work/shop/whatever they will know that objecting gets them nowhere. I find it sad that parents take their children abroad and put them in a creche. No exploring the local culture, no visiting local attractions, no fun with Mum and Dad. They might as well be with relatives back home who would give them some attention. The twins had a much better time when their aunt arrived and kept them out of the creche in the afternoons so they could go on outings to the zoo. etc. She seemed to have the same outlook on childcare as I do.

In the afternoons we would go out with the children, I didnt think it was a good idea for them to be in the creche for the whole day, we tried to maintain a routine in order to give them a sense of normality.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PATRICIA_CAMERON.htm

There is all the difference in the world in children enjoying new adventures and friends during supervised play for a few days while on a family holiday ... and taking them on outings which mirrored their normal home lives in the weeks and months of their enforced stay in Portugal.

Extraordinary that you fail to recognise that.

[Eleanor]

Why would I personally gain, and why would I want to gain? I mention their (lack of) parenting skills because others constantly refer to them as loving parents who cherished their adored children. Funny way of showing it imo. Old sayings spring to mind; 'handsome is as handsome does'or 'actions speak louder than words'.

“I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.”
― John Locke

I have always known that I was a less than perfect parent.  I don't have any terrible hang ups about this.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why would I personally gain, and why would I want to gain? I mention their (lack of) parenting skills because others constantly refer to them as loving parents who cherished their adored children. Funny way of showing it imo. Old sayings spring to mind; 'handsome is as handsome does'or 'actions speak louder than words'.

“I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.”
― John Locke

So is it your contention that the McCanns are not loving parents who do not cherish and adore their children? 

ETA:  I think what you might stand to gain from unfavourably comparing the McCanns' parenting skills to your own is a sense of smug self-satisfaction and a way of bigging yourself up, IMO.

[G-Unit]

There is all the difference in the world in children enjoying new adventures and friends during supervised play for a few days while on a family holiday ... and taking them on outings which mirrored their normal home lives in the weeks and months of their enforced stay in Portugal.

Extraordinary that you fail to recognise that.

I find it extraordinary that some people fail to see that a 'family holiday' where three fifths of the family spend most of the time with non family members is a misnomer.

No one was 'forced' to stay in Portugal.

What outings took place during 'normal home life'? One each week? Two? More? Any?

[Alice Purjorick]

So is it your contention that the McCanns are not loving parents who do not cherish and adore their children? 

ETA:  I think what you might stand to gain from unfavourably comparing the McCanns' parenting skills to your own is a sense of smug self-satisfaction and a way of bigging yourself up, IMO.

What was it you said to me a while back about ad hominems? 

[jassi]

I find it extraordinary that some people fail to see that a 'family holiday' where three fifths of the family spend most of the time with non family members is a misnomer.

No one was 'forced' to stay in Portugal.

What outings took place during 'normal home life'? One each week? Two? More? Any?

Not just them of course,  their family and some of their friends were forced to be there as well.

[G-Unit]

So is it your contention that the McCanns are not loving parents who do not cherish and adore their children? 

ETA:  I think what you might stand to gain from unfavourably comparing the McCanns' parenting skills to your own is a sense of smug self-satisfaction and a way of bigging yourself up, IMO.

It's my contention that we don't know what kind of parents they were. Some people insist that they were loving parents who cherished and adored their children. I am pointing out that their actions don't support this viewpoint. Their actions suggest that their main aim in life was getting rid of the kids as often as possible.

What you think of my motives means less than nothing to me as I know you are just being nasty and trying to get a reaction.

[G-Unit]

Not just them of course,  their family and some of their friends were forced to be there as well.

I know, such a drag. Mark Warner were very helpful though;

That every day around 13H00, he heads to no. 4-G (where the family of the missing child is staying) and to no. 4-1 (where 10 people are lodged) to deliver lunch. He repeats this routine at 20H00 to take them dinner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

It's my contention that we don't know what kind of parents they were. Some people insist that they were loving parents who cherished and adored their children. I am pointing out that their actions don't support this viewpoint. 

What you think of my motives means less than nothing to me as I know you are just being nasty and trying to get a reaction.

So you don't believe they were loving or caring, based on the events of a one week holiday.  What is your view of parents who work full-time and put their kids into nursery from 8am - 6pm every work day from the age of  4 months?  Are they not capable of being loving or caring parents in your view?

[pegasus]

I know, such a drag. Mark Warner were very helpful though;

That every day around 13H00, he heads to no. 4-G (where the family of the missing child is staying) and to no. 4-1 (where 10 people are lodged) to deliver lunch. He repeats this routine at 20H00 to take them dinner.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

Yes and possibly he goes back after each meal to pick up the used plates etc? (source GNR dog handler statements).

[Lace]

If children are used to being put into creches so parents can work/shop/whatever they will know that objecting gets them nowhere. I find it sad that parents take their children abroad and put them in a creche. No exploring the local culture, no visiting local attractions, no fun with Mum and Dad. They might as well be with relatives back home who would give them some attention. The twins had a much better time when their aunt arrived and kept them out of the creche in the afternoons so they could go on outings to the zoo. etc. She seemed to have the same outlook on childcare as I do.

In the afternoons we would go out with the children, I didnt think it was a good idea for them to be in the creche for the whole day, we tried to maintain a routine in order to give them a sense of normality.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PATRICIA_CAMERON.htm

I am sorry Gunit but how people choose to spend their holidays in my opinion is up to them.

How do you know they weren't going on another holiday later in the year?

How much to do you think a child of almost four and twins aged two was going to lap up the wonder of the local culture?  Or attractions?    All kids want at that age is the beach and the sea and games and fun they had all that didn't they?

I really don't begrudge the parents having a holiday that wasn't totally revolved around the children,  as I said they had been on holiday once that year as it was,   the parents had a bit of fun too and the children enjoyed themselves.   Are you saying they didn't enjoy themselves?

[Benice]

It's my contention that we don't know what kind of parents they were. Some people insist that they were loving parents who cherished and adored their children. I am pointing out that their actions don't support this viewpoint. Their actions suggest that their main aim in life was getting rid of the kids as often as possible.

What you think of my motives means less than nothing to me as I know you are just being nasty and trying to get a reaction.

Another example IMO of stating the complete opposite of the true facts.    If the McCanns aim in life was to get rid of their children as often as possible, they wouldn't have had them in the first place IMO.     They were not unfortunate 'accidents'.

After several sad childless years they were so desperate to have a family they turned to IVF.   The result was Madeleine, and they loved being her parents so much - they then went on to have the twins.   Proof IMO that those children could not  have been more wanted and loved.   You only have to look at the photos/videos to see that..

You talk as if they were a huge inconvenience on the strength of one weeks holiday - at a place which was specifically designed to cater for the enjoyment of both the parents and children.

You've reminded me of a neighbour of mine who never let her two children out of the house on their own.   You could often see them at their bedroom window looking down at the other kids playing together.     I used to feel sorry for them.

[Brietta]

I find it extraordinary that some people fail to see that a 'family holiday' where three fifths of the family spend most of the time with non family members is a misnomer.

No one was 'forced' to stay in Portugal.

What outings took place during 'normal home life'? One each week? Two? More? Any?

How people wish to spend their time on holiday is a matter for them ... and as has been pointed out already this was the second family holiday in the first few months of the year ... so not bad going for them.

Your dislike of this family is palpable ~ as your belittling of the enforced stay in Portugal reveals.

[Mr Gray]

Are all these kids clubs empty on holiday or just full of neglected children. posters on here have no right to tell teh mccans how to live their life...just  a load of interfering busybodies.

I have no right to tell smokers and fat people to change just because I pay taxes