Author Topic: If Only....!  (Read 15307 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2015, 10:52:19 AM »
Kate and Gerry McCann were made argidos in a murder investigation ....

Cite,

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2015, 10:53:05 AM »
Indeed Stephen. Ferryman does like to *hmm* embellish things.

It remains one possibility, does it not ?

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2015, 10:54:53 AM »
Cite,

Read Mark Harrison's reports ....

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

(Mark Harrison)
« Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 10:58:07 AM by ferryman »

Offline faithlilly

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2015, 10:58:27 AM »
Read Mark Harrison's reports ....

In a police investigation all scenarios are looked.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2015, 11:00:49 AM »
In a police investigation all scenarios are looked.

This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

Mark Harrison.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
« Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 11:03:22 AM by ferryman »

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2015, 11:05:51 AM »
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

Mark Harrison.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

One report, and just one of the scenarios.

So where does it say ferryman that the mccanns became arguida because of a 'murder investigation' ?

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2015, 11:07:48 AM »
From Goncalo Amaral's interview to El Mundo

Q - What do you think that could have happened that night?

A - Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death by others, not murder. In the room blood and cadaver odour was found just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a friend just outside that window for a while. The girl did not have a a heavy sleep, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and climbed to the sofa bellow the window. But the parents, for the girl not to go out,moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.


Why did Amaral lie?

Offline mercury

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2015, 10:47:39 PM »
Read Mark Harrison's reports.  He was tasked to investigate that Madeline had been murdered, and did so.

So? whats unusual about that? Its the first thing british people do all the time

As to your future to this post, that the mccanns were made arguidos in a murder enquiry, you're  making a patchwork  quilt there to suit... not even amaral has accused them of murder

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2015, 12:26:53 AM »
This report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz. Other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report.

Mark Harrison.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

Murder is a possibility. This report was produced before the dogs examined the apartment. If the child was abducted she could have been taken and murdered. There's nothing strange in that report.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2015, 12:36:26 AM »
Murder is a possibility. This report was produced before the dogs examined the apartment. If the child was abducted she could have been taken and murdered. There's nothing strange in that report.
you said it muchbetter than me, thats what I was tryng  to convey

ferryman

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2015, 05:58:28 AM »
Murder is a possibility. This report was produced before the dogs examined the apartment. If the child was abducted she could have been taken and murdered. There's nothing strange in that report.

I'm unsurprised you've not assimilated the fact that dog reactions are irrelevant to the investigation; still less surprised that you have ignored Harrison's post dog deployment comments.

During the searches two Police dogs were deployed and although it has been stated that no physical remains were located in the area these dogs did give indications in several areas. These areas have been subject to a separate forensic examination that is beyond the scope of this report and at the time of writing laboratory tests are being undertaken. The dogs’ handler has submitted a separate report regarding the performance of the dogs (see appendix 4). However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.
 


                                                                              (Mark Harrison)
« Last Edit: June 14, 2015, 06:24:15 AM by ferryman »

stephen25000

  • Guest
Re: If Only....!
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2015, 08:18:06 AM »
I'm unsurprised you've not assimilated the fact that dog reactions are irrelevant to the investigation; still less surprised that you have ignored Harrison's post dog deployment comments.

During the searches two Police dogs were deployed and although it has been stated that no physical remains were located in the area these dogs did give indications in several areas. These areas have been subject to a separate forensic examination that is beyond the scope of this report and at the time of writing laboratory tests are being undertaken. The dogs’ handler has submitted a separate report regarding the performance of the dogs (see appendix 4). However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.
 


                                                                              (Mark Harrison)

Unconfirmed does not mean the dogs didn't indiicate to a body.

Offline Benice

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2015, 08:48:27 AM »
Unconfirmed does not mean the dogs didn't indiicate to a body.

But it does scupper the popular belief of some sceptics i.e. - that if Eddie alerted - then that is indisputable proof that a cadaver must have been at that location.   Agreed?

Quote
Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2015, 09:27:53 AM »
But it does scupper the popular belief of some sceptics i.e. - that if Eddie alerted - then that is indisputable proof that a cadaver must have been at that location.   Agreed?

Quote
Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.



Eddie's alert got Prout and many others. Police don't ignore his alerts or you are living in fantasyland.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: If Only....!
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2015, 10:34:02 AM »
Eddie's alert got Prout and many others. Police don't ignore his alerts or you are living in fantasyland.

You have missed the point.

What has that got to do with the fact that because Eddie alerts it does not automatically prove that a cadaver was present at that location or ever had been present - which is what some sceptics strongly believe.

I am not disputing that Eddie alerted to cadaverscent.   It is the sceptics reason why that scent was present which I am disputing - based on the expert opinion of both Grime and Harrison. 

   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal