What/where should have been investigated,but was not?

[Brietta]

It is alleged they spoke to the Portuguese police in the news article. It is also alleged that they saw Murat near G5A on the evening of 3rd May, which the PJ would have been very interested in in my opinion. It is further alleged that calls to UK police and Crimestoppers were ignored. They were eventually interviewed because they emailed Clarence Mitchell. The UK police then contacted them and apologised for ignoring them and interviewed them for 11 hours!  They did have a lot to say didn't they?

The reason they finally 'came forward' (to the press) is because their names were 'leaked to Portuguese newspapers'. By whom? There is no evidence that the PJ ever received their statements, so it wouldn't be them because if they do have the statements they thought them important enough to keep back when they released the files. It surely wouldn't be UK police leaking to Portuguese newspapers. The only other possibility is Metodo 3 or Clarence Mitchell or both. Metodo 3 also spoke to the sisters, after the UK police did, allegedly. The article says they dined at the Tapas on 3rd May, but they're not on the booking list.

Sound like typical Metodo 3 witnesses to me.

Do you think Ms Jensen found the sighting of Murat suspicious at the time or even worth mentioning to the police at the time?  Why would it be?  Why would she? 

The sisters were concerned about the two blonde men who they did find suspicious ... I suggest this is the only information which was relayed to the police on the morning of the 4th.

[stephen25000]

It is alleged they spoke to the Portuguese police in the news article. It is also alleged that they saw Murat near G5A on the evening of 3rd May, which the PJ would have been very interested in in my opinion. It is further alleged that calls to UK police and Crimestoppers were ignored. They were eventually interviewed because they emailed Clarence Mitchell. The UK police then contacted them and apologised for ignoring them and interviewed them for 11 hours!  They did have a lot to say didn't they?

The reason they finally 'came forward' (to the press) is because their names were 'leaked to Portuguese newspapers'. By whom? There is no evidence that the PJ ever received their statements, so it wouldn't be them because if they do have the statements they thought them important enough to keep back when they released the files. It surely wouldn't be UK police leaking to Portuguese newspapers. The only other possibility is Metodo 3 or Clarence Mitchell or both. Metodo 3 also spoke to the sisters, after the UK police did, allegedly. The article says they dined at the Tapas on 3rd May, but they're not on the booking list.

Sound like typical Metodo 3 witnesses to me.

So were these two being economic with the truth ?

Were they seeking their 15 minutes of fame ?

[Brietta]

So were these two being economic with the truth ?

Were they seeking their 15 minutes of fame ?

What I find truly amazing is the alacrity with which the statements of people unconnected in any way to the McCann family are rubbished and ridiculed.

Particularly when avenues of investigation are indicated which should have been investigated but were disregarded are concerned.
It is a common theme that witnesses had to be quite persistent to be taken notice of (no ... Stephen I'm not giving you a cite for something you well know).

Those are the ones we know of.  How many potential witnesses were similarly disregarded or who made statements thinking they would be investigated.

That is something we will never know ...

However for witnesses to be ridiculed and accused of claiming their fifteen minutes of fame ... rather brings not honest people reporting what they saw into disrepute but those who seek to denigrate them because what they may have to say doesn't fit in with their take on events.

The sisters saw what they saw ... they reported what they saw the following morning ... I'm not calling them liars.

[stephen25000]

What I find truly amazing is the alacrity with which the statements of people unconnected in any way to the McCann family are rubbished and ridiculed.

Particularly when avenues of investigation are indicated which should have been investigated but were disregarded are concerned.
It is a common theme that witnesses had to be quite persistent to be taken notice of (no ... Stephen I'm not giving you a cite for something you well know).

Those are the ones we know of.  How many potential witnesses were similarly disregarded or who made statements thinking they would be investigated.

That is something we will never know ...

However for witnesses to be ridiculed and accused of claiming their fifteen minutes of fame ... rather brings not honest people reporting what they saw into disrepute but those who seek to denigrate them because what they may have to say doesn't fit in with their take on events.

The sisters saw what they saw ... they reported what they saw the following morning ... I'm not calling them liars.

You are till clutching at straws.

How do you know they saw What they stated ?

After all you're only discussing it to bring abduction in the frame, regardless of the fact there is no evidence one took place.

[Lace]

So were these two being economic with the truth ?

Were they seeking their 15 minutes of fame ?

So were all the witnesses who saw strange goings on all seeking 15 minutes of fame Stephen?   The Smith family for instance?

[Brietta]

You are till clutching at straws.

How do you know they saw What they stated ?

After all you're only discussing it to bring abduction in the frame, regardless of the fact there is no evidence one took place.

I am discussing what the sisters saw in the context of the thread.  Since you are unable to take the discussion forward with an opinion on what may have happened as a result of that it seems it remains something not investigated at the time.

There is nothing ruling in or ruling out the sighting of these men who the sisters could probably have provided efits for if anyone had bothered.


**snip
The pair, tanned and in Bermuda shorts, were standing outside the patio doors of a groundfloor apartment, which had been unoccupied all week, and were looking out over the resort's family swimming pool and restaurant area.
Mrs Wiltshire, 58, a mother of two, said: "It was odd because I hadn't seen them before. In May the resort wasn't busy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz3e4SD0xs5


If you don't think their statement was worth checking out in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance of a child, do you have any idea at all of the reasoning behind police appeals for witnesses to come forward in similar circumstances?

[stephen25000]

I am discussing what the sisters saw in the context of the thread.  Since you are unable to take the discussion forward with an opinion on what may have happened as a result of that it seems it remains something not investigated at the time.

There is nothing ruling in or ruling out the sighting of these men who the sisters could probably have provided efits for if anyone had bothered.


**snip
The pair, tanned and in Bermuda shorts, were standing outside the patio doors of a groundfloor apartment, which had been unoccupied all week, and were looking out over the resort's family swimming pool and restaurant area.
Mrs Wiltshire, 58, a mother of two, said: "It was odd because I hadn't seen them before. In May the resort wasn't busy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz3e4SD0xs5


If you don't think their statement was worth checking out in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance of a child, do you have any idea at all of the reasoning behind police appeals for witnesses to come forward in similar circumstances?

Didn't the police check nearby accomodation ?

Do you really consider 'seeing' two blond men evidence of abduction ?

Was there any indication of witnesses seeing a blond man or man that evening ?

Do you actually know whether all people in that area, on that night or previous ones, came forward ?

and finally, how is moaning to me going to help about two women allegedly seeing two blond men ?

and did anyone else see two blond men in the vicinity, during those days ?

[Carana]

I doubt that we will ever know whether some people made claims due to:

- genuine concern that that may have seen something relevant but were unable to get through to police lines at the time;

- the odd chance that something that they had perhaps seen, or even incorrectly remembered, could have led to a share in the massive award initially on offer;

- 15 mins of fame, or a payment from a media-hungry tabloid.

All are possible.

The question still remains in the case of the sisters: was their sighting checked out or not?

[pegasus]

"Michael and Angus suggested that we arrange for a full forensic screen to be performed on the Renualt Scenic hire car which had been left with a friend in PDL" ......
"A forensic team had been sent over to PDL to carry out the full examination of the Renault Scenic"
source book by KM

[jassi]

Would a private forensic laboratory offer that service? They would obviously do the analysis but are they equipped to do the collection as well?

[Anna]

"Michael and Angus suggested that we arrange for a full forensic screen to be performed on the Renualt Scenic hire car which had been left with a friend in PDL" ......
"A forensic team had been sent over to PDL to carry out the full examination of the Renault Scenic"
source book by KM

Thanks Pegusas,

It has also emerged that an independent forensic team from the UK has stripped the McCanns' hire car.
The forensic scientists - who spent more than nine hours examining the vehicle - have been hired by the McCanns to rubbish Portuguese police "evidence".
The Renault has been at the centre of the detectives' claims against the couple since they were both named as arguidos at the beginning of the month.

Portuguese newspapers reported that DNA found in the car boot indicated Madeleine's blood, hair and bodily fluids.
The car had been garaged at the home of John Geraghty, a friend of the McCanns, near Praia da Luz.
A source said the team "took as many samples as possible".
"It was an extremely thorough job."
The car has since been returned to the Budget rental company at Faro Aiport.
British scientists who carried out tests on the car for the Portuguese police have said their results have been "twisted".
The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham is reported to have written to the detectives complaining that they had "wildly misused" their findings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-484797/Sacked-maid-kidnapped-Madeleine-bosses.html

[G-Unit]

I doubt that we will ever know whether some people made claims due to:

- genuine concern that that may have seen something relevant but were unable to get through to police lines at the time;

- the odd chance that something that they had perhaps seen, or even incorrectly remembered, could have led to a share in the massive award initially on offer;

- 15 mins of fame, or a payment from a media-hungry tabloid.

All are possible.

The question still remains in the case of the sisters: was their sighting checked out or not?

They say they were ignored by the PJ. They say they were ignored by LP. They rang Crimestoppers and no-one contacted them. Seems both Police forces we remiss. If they told the paper they dined at the Tapas why weren't they on the booking sheet?

My conclusion is they emailed CM only, he and Metodo 3 responded then leaked to the Portuguese press because they were keen to publicise anything which made the PJ look bad and supported the abduction thesis. It was a bonus that they say they saw RM too. As their evidence doesn't appear in the files what did LP do with it? Throw it away? How could anyone check it out therefore?

[Carana]

Would a private forensic laboratory offer that service? They would obviously do the analysis but are they equipped to do the collection as well?

Fair point, unless part of the team was composed of trained forensic officers (or at least some who could prove that they complied with standard procedures). On the other hand, AFAIK, not all (any?) of the vehicles taken for inspection by the PJ were on low-loaders... and few forensic inspections involved white jumpsuits.

I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this private forensic sweep was though.

[stephen25000]

I doubt that we will ever know whether some people made claims due to:

- genuine concern that that may have seen something relevant but were unable to get through to police lines at the time;

- the odd chance that something that they had perhaps seen, or even incorrectly remembered, could have led to a share in the massive award initially on offer;

- 15 mins of fame, or a payment from a media-hungry tabloid.

All are possible.

The question still remains in the case of the sisters: was their sighting checked out or not?

That we may never know.

However, I find it hard to believe neighbouring properties weren't checked , including the one with the two 'blondes'.

[Carana]

That we may never know.

However, I find it hard to believe neighbouring properties weren't checked , including the one with the two 'blondes'.

Checked for what "no sign of the missing minor"? I haven't found any PJ rog requests for the sisters. Perhaps they were interviewed at some point by the UK and either it wasn't deemed relevant or it's part of the restricted UK side of the files.

There isn't much in the files concerning the occupants / owners of even Block 5 aside from the T9 and eventually Mrs Fenn.