What/where should have been investigated,but was not?

[Eleanor]

We are getting dangerously close to insults again.  And I don't want to have to delete what are often interesting posts.  So please stop now.  Insults add nothing to the debate.

[Brietta]

   

The prejudice and bias are yours.

You are on here to defend the mccanns.

There is no way potential suspects in a case would be allowed to view all case files as the mccanns repeatedly requested.

However, even more importantly, THE CRIME IS STILL UNKNOWN.

Try to comprehend that means beyond your blind devotion to the mccanns.

Please concentrate on making the effort to stop repeating yourself and respond to the content of my post which refers to the men or man seen by witnesses in the vicinity of the McCann apartment and who were not traced and eliminated from the inquiry?

For example ... who were the two blond men observed on the balcony overlooking the McCann apartment?

[Brietta]

It is not know where Madeleine or her remains have been.

Merely unconfirmed forensics.

and it should never have been given back to the mccanns.

The problem you may have is that the forensics were never actually unconfirmed.  Try misunderstood or misinterpreted.

Forget the prejudicial leaks to the press concerning them ... and concentrate on the final FSS report.

[stephen25000]

Please concentrate on making the effort to stop repeating yourself and respond to the content of my post which refers to the men or man seen by witnesses in the vicinity of the McCann apartment and who were not traced and eliminated from the inquiry?

For example ... who were the two blond men observed on the balcony overlooking the McCann apartment?

I'm afraid to say that merely because people were seen in the vicinity of the apartment, does not make them suspects.

and by the way who saw these blond men ?

and how many apartments overlooked each other ?

Do you really think that people looking at another building constitutes direct evidence of abduction ?

If you do, the expression clutching at straws doesn't even come close.

[Alice Purjorick]

In the knowledge that Madeleine's remains had never been in the vehicle they knew that the 'evidence' presented to them that she had been there was false.

It was prudent for them to keep and perhaps even purchase the vehicle ... I find nothing extraordinary in that.

What I do find remarkable is that if the vehicle was as pivotal to the prosecution case as the investigators apparently believed ... why had it been released back into the McCann custody?

Try looking at it from the bit in italics.
There are then two main possibilities.

[Benice]

I'm afraid to say that merely because people were seen in the vicinity of the apartment, does not make them suspects.

and by the way who saw these blond men ?

and how many apartments overlooked each other ?

Do you really think that people looking at another building constitutes direct evidence of abduction ?

If you do, the expression clutching at straws doesn't even come close.

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British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'
By FIONA BARTON, DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 15:55 31 December 2007

Two British sisters gave a dramatic account of a pair of strangers watching the Ocean Club pool and tapas bar hours before Madeleine McCann vanished.

In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.
unquote

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz2TkhXcjDx

[G-Unit]

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British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'
By FIONA BARTON, DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 15:55 31 December 2007

Two British sisters gave a dramatic account of a pair of strangers watching the Ocean Club pool and tapas bar hours before Madeleine McCann vanished.

In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.
unquote

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz2TkhXcjDx

I wonder if they reported their sighting to the police as well as the press? if not, why not? The PJ couldn't investigate something no-one told them about.

[stephen25000]

Quote
British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'
By FIONA BARTON, DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 15:55 31 December 2007

Two British sisters gave a dramatic account of a pair of strangers watching the Ocean Club pool and tapas bar hours before Madeleine McCann vanished.

In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz.
unquote

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz2TkhXcjDx

So what.

and what does that prove exactly ?

and how many people were staring at other apartments ?

[Brietta]

I'm afraid to say that merely because people were seen in the vicinity of the apartment, does not make them suspects.

and by the way who saw these blond men ?

and how many apartments overlooked each other ?

Do you really think that people looking at another building constitutes direct evidence of abduction ?

If you do, the expression clutching at straws doesn't even come close.

I would have thought that witnesses who had noticed something they took the bother to inform the police about might be considered with a bit more respect than they have been.
Quite often in child abduction cases, the only evidence is eye witness testimony.

Don't tell me an expert such as yourself is unaware of the sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire?


**snip
Although the two sisters contacted Portuguese police within hours of Madeleine's disappearance, their evidence was ignored for six months.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

They intended to remain anonymous but when their names were leaked to a Portuguese newspaper and they found themselves wrongly accused of waiting eight months before coming forward, they decided to reveal the truth.

The sisters said they were immediately struck by the behaviour of the two men on the balcony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html


There is an interesting synopsis of other witnesses here ...

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/jayne-jensen/

[Brietta]

I wonder if they reported their sighting to the police as well as the press? if not, why not? The PJ couldn't investigate something no-one told them about.

Jane Jensen not only participated in the search ... she reported the men seen by herself and her sister that morning.

Bearing in mind the police had a lot on their minds in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance ... how long would it have taken to knock on the door of Apartment C to ...

(a)  check out the occupiers 

(b)  ascertain if they had seen anything suspicious or helpful

[stephen25000]

I would have thought that witnesses who had noticed something they took the bother to inform the police about might be considered with a bit more respect than they have been.
Quite often in child abduction cases, the only evidence is eye witness testimony.

Don't tell me an expert such as yourself is unaware of the sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire?


**snip
Although the two sisters contacted Portuguese police within hours of Madeleine's disappearance, their evidence was ignored for six months.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

They intended to remain anonymous but when their names were leaked to a Portuguese newspaper and they found themselves wrongly accused of waiting eight months before coming forward, they decided to reveal the truth.

The sisters said they were immediately struck by the behaviour of the two men on the balcony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html


There is an interesting synopsis of other witnesses here ...

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/tag/jayne-jensen/

I am well aware of those two.

By the way, did the mail pay them ?

and again a simple question, do you really believe that two blond men looking at an apartment is evidence of abduction ?

Also, how many people were looking at other apartments ?

Did these blond men see Madeleine ?

and was any blond seen in the vicinity of the apartment on May the 3 rd 2007 ?

[Benice]

So what.

and what does that prove exactly ?

and how many people were staring at other apartments ?

Why do you repeatedly ask questions when you never accept the answers?    You asked who saw the 2 blonde men and I gave you the answer.  Full stop.         As far as know - neither of them have come forward to be eliminated.

[stephen25000]

Why do you repeatedly ask questions when you never accept the answers?    You asked who saw the 2 blonde men and I gave you the answer.  Full stop.         As far as know - neither of them have come forward to be eliminated.

Well surely the police as a matter of practice would have checked the surrounding apartments ?

Has there been any report in this case of a blond abductor ?

[Brietta]

I am well aware of those two.

By the way, did the mail pay them ?

and again a simple question, do you really believe that two blond men looking at an apartment is evidence of abduction ?

Also, how many people were looking at other apartments ?

Did these blond men see Madeleine ?

and was any blond seen in the vicinity of the apartment on May the 3 rd 2007 ?

I knew you were well aware of the sisters Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire which is why I found it amusing you could not let discussion flow but had to ask for a cite instead.

It is neither your place nor mine to speculate on the information given to the police by the sisters.

It was for the police to investigate - that is their job after all - and rule in or rule out the relevance of information received.

In this particular instance the simple expediency of knocking the door of an apartment in the building they were 'guarding' would have sufficed to do that.

A glaring example of a simple diligence which seems to have been totally ignored by the investigators.

[G-Unit]

Jane Jensen not only participated in the search ... she reported the men seen by herself and her sister that morning.

Bearing in mind the police had a lot on their minds in the aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance ... how long would it have taken to knock on the door of Apartment C to ...

(a)  check out the occupiers 

(b)  ascertain if they had seen anything suspicious or helpful

It is alleged they spoke to the Portuguese police in the news article. It is also alleged that they saw Murat near G5A on the evening of 3rd May, which the PJ would have been very interested in in my opinion. It is further alleged that calls to UK police and Crimestoppers were ignored. They were eventually interviewed because they emailed Clarence Mitchell. The UK police then contacted them and apologised for ignoring them and interviewed them for 11 hours!  They did have a lot to say didn't they?

The reason they finally 'came forward' (to the press) is because their names were 'leaked to Portuguese newspapers'. By whom? There is no evidence that the PJ ever received their statements, so it wouldn't be them because if they do have the statements they thought them important enough to keep back when they released the files. It surely wouldn't be UK police leaking to Portuguese newspapers. The only other possibility is Metodo 3 or Clarence Mitchell or both. Metodo 3 also spoke to the sisters, after the UK police did, allegedly. The article says they dined at the Tapas on 3rd May, but they're not on the booking list.

Sound like typical Metodo 3 witnesses to me.