What/where should have been investigated,but was not?

[mercury]

 Bed linen  was tested for bodily fluids, ie blood or semen!
The people who say it was all sent  off to a laundry need to back up their assertions
Why the PJ didnt test THE bed for dna Is any laymans guess

[ShiningInLuz]

I am interested in the psychology of search, in how the searcher's subconscious applies assumptions to decide which places to search and which not.

Do you actually mean subconscious?

If I role play a GNR officer turning up at a place where a child has gone missing, even if the parents were saying abduction, and there was no major crime on file for the area, plus the language barrier, I doubt I could make a half decent conscious assessment of what was going on.

PJ got called in fairly promptly, which suggests the GNR decided pretty early on, whoops, we need the detectives.

[Carana]

I still think it would have been worthwhile to have collected hairs from the rest of the apartment (i.e., not just the passageway to the doors and the children's bedroom).

[pathfinder73]

I still think it would have been worthwhile to have collected hairs from the rest of the apartment (i.e., not just the passageway to the doors and the children's bedroom).

TRACES
Relating to Apartment no. 5-A in the tourist resort "The Ocean Club" Praia da Luz-Lagos:

- 32 hairs in envelope no. 1 recovered from the floor at the entrance to the children's bedroom.

- 28 hairs in envelope no. 2 recovered from the floor next to the bed from which the child disappeared.

- 4 hair in envelope no. 3 recovered from the top of the bed from which the child disappeared.

- 15 hairs in envelope no. 4 recovered from the floor next to the bed that was next to the window in the children's bedroom.

- 1 piece of cloth in envelope no. 5 recovered from the bedspread of the bed next to the window in the children's bedroom.
Fragment of cloth, mauve/violet in colour with square motifs, circular in form about 10cm in diameter. A small fluorescent spot is observed under a Crime-light.

- 31 hairs in envelope No. 6 recovered from the floor of the lounge.

- 58 hairs in envelope No. 7 recovered from the entrance hall at the front door of the apartment.

mtDNA    Number of                                    Comparison with
profile   Samples    Recovered from                   reference samples

B           3        3 entrance hall
B1          1        1 entrance hall
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                    13 lounge
                    15 entrance hall
C          53       13 entrance to bedroom            Kate Healy (Mother)
                     4 floor; bed next to window
                     1 bed of the child
                     7 floor; next to child's bed
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D           1        1 lounge
D1          1        1 entrance to bedroom
D1          1        1 floor; bed next to window
-------------------------------------------------------
F           3        1 lounge                               
                     2 entrance hall
-------------------------------------------------------
G           1        1 lounge                         Matthew Oldfield
I           1        1 entrance hall                  David Payne
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                     1 floor; bed next to window
J           3        1 entrance hall
                     1 floor; next to child's bed
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K          14        1 Residencia Liliana                     
                    13 vehicle(envlps 1,3,4,5 and 6)
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                     1 spot on bedspread
L           8        1 entrance to bedroom
                     2 entrance hall
                     4 floor; bed next to window
-------------------------------------------------------
M          48       13 vehicle (envlps 1,2,3 and 4)
                    35 Residencia Liliana             Robert Murat
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                     2 lounge
                    11 entrance hall
N          24        6 entrance to bedroom            Gerald Mccann
                     2 floor; bed next to window
                     3 floor; next to child's bed
-------------------------------------------------------
0           2        1 lounge
                     1 entrance hall                  Russell O'Brien
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Q           2        1 entrance hall
                     1 lounge                               
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Profiles different from each other and from those above:
           28       17 of which were found in the apartment.
 
* Bl and Dl have a different sequence from B and D.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[Carana]

There is no indication in those results that they searched for hairs in the parents' bedroom, the rest of the lounge, the kitchen or the bathroom.

If, by chance, they had found hairs with roots belonging to someone who had no valid reason to be in one of those locations, that might have been significant evidence.

I understand the logic of the initial sweep (and the urgency), but it might have been a good idea to do a more comprehensive one as well.

If an unidentifed person or persons had been in the parents' bedroom, bathroom or even a wardrobe (plus Madeleine's own), it might have expanded the potential scenarios of where she disappeared from, which wasn't necessarily directly from her bed.

[pathfinder73]

Why would they be in the kitchen or bathroom? The child was asleep in bed according to her father.

[Carana]

Why would they be in the kitchen or bathroom? The child was asleep in bed according to her father.

That doesn't mean that she didn't subsequently wake up to go for a pee and there was an encounter near there, or that she woke up and hid from someone, does it?

[Carana]

Do you actually mean subconscious?

If I role play a GNR officer turning up at a place where a child has gone missing, even if the parents were saying abduction, and there was no major crime on file for the area, plus the language barrier, I doubt I could make a half decent conscious assessment of what was going on.

PJ got called in fairly promptly, which suggests the GNR decided pretty early on, whoops, we need the detectives.

People in a personal panic / highly stressed situation may react differently to those who have a greater personal distance.

There was no missing child protocol at the time for first respondents. The GNR were used to dealing with burglaries, fires, car crashes, public disorder incidents in rural areas... but not missing children.

Neither, contrary to mythdom, did they understand English.

Personally, I find that they had probably reacted as well as could be expected in the circumstances. On the other hand, the process must have seemed incredibly slow to those with a personal connection and who would have been highly stressed.

Perception of reality would seem to be relative to perspective.

[pathfinder73]

That doesn't mean that she didn't subsequently wake up to go for a pee and there was an encounter near there, or that she woke up and hid from someone, does it?

Like the twins did 

[Carana]

Like the twins did 

Like the twins did what?

[pathfinder73]

Like the twins did what?

Didn't wake up. What a remarkable set of circumstances for this abductor to raise noisy shutters open a window to whooshing gale force cold winds coming into that room and Madeleine never made a sound. She was very loud according to her family and Pamela Fenn on TUE.

[Brietta]

Didn't wake up. What a remarkable set of circumstances for this abductor to raise noisy shutters open a window to whooshing gale force cold winds coming into that room and Madeleine never made a sound. She was very loud according to her family and Pamela Fenn on TUE.

What? ... When? and Who? are three words which immediately spring to mind whenever Mrs Fenn's name is mentioned in relation to Madeleine McCann's case.

• what exactly was it she heard?
• when exactly did she hear it?
• who was it she heard?

Probably a good example of a witness who should have been interviewed shortly after Madeleine's disappearance but who was not ... months after the event  isn't really good enough.

[mercury]

What? ... When? and Who? are three words which immediately spring to mind whenever Mrs Fenn's name is mentioned in relation to Madeleine McCann's case.

• what exactly was it she heard?
• when exactly did she hear it?
• who was it she heard?

Probably a good example of a witness who should have been interviewed shortly after Madeleine's disappearance but who was not ... months after the event  isn't really good enough.

The what and when are very clear in her statement. The who cannot be answered any more than was explained in her statement.

[Carana]

What? ... When? and Who? are three words which immediately spring to mind whenever Mrs Fenn's name is mentioned in relation to Madeleine McCann's case.

• what exactly was it she heard?
• when exactly did she hear it?
• who was it she heard?

Probably a good example of a witness who should have been interviewed shortly after Madeleine's disappearance but who was not ... months after the event  isn't really good enough.

Agreed. And there are aready umpteen discussions on this topic on here.

[mercury]

Agreed. And there are aready umpteen discussions on this topic on here.

Agreed? How can you agree with one and two?