Author Topic: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?  (Read 43125 times)

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Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2015, 12:19:52 AM »
Another place is the bathroom - incompletely searched IMO

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #151 on: July 23, 2015, 12:24:31 AM »
Another place is the bathroom - incompletely searched IMO
incompletely searched for WHat?

« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 10:18:57 AM by Eleanor »

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #152 on: July 23, 2015, 12:33:31 AM »
incompletely searched for WHat?

A true investigator does not know what he or she is looking for. The idea is to search every space IMO.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 10:19:39 AM by Eleanor »

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #153 on: July 23, 2015, 12:57:28 AM »
IMO there were half a dozen places in there where the great detective's assistant Mr Fong could have hidden, and (going by the statements) none of the searchers, nor the GNR later, looked in any of them.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 01:27:46 AM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #154 on: July 23, 2015, 01:20:58 AM »
Another place we never heard of anyone searching is the lift engine room.
See in this video (at 25 seconds) http://youtu.be/Oww-pkOnSAA?t=25s
Do you see where it is?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 01:32:05 AM by pegasus »

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #155 on: July 23, 2015, 01:37:21 AM »
deleted as already replied to.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 01:36:15 PM by mercury »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #156 on: July 23, 2015, 07:44:04 AM »
IMO there were half a dozen places in there where the great detective's assistant Mr Fong could have hidden, and (going by the statements) none of the searchers, nor the GNR later, looked in any of them.

What was hidden? An alive screaming Madeleine or did Eddie detect the lion the witch wardrobe and she was in Narnia. Kids toys look like they were hidden from crime scene photos unless they didn't play with any. A bucket and spade outside it.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 07:55:13 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #157 on: July 23, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
What was hidden? An alive screaming Madeleine or did Eddie detect the lion the witch wardrobe and she was in Narnia. Kids toys look like they were hidden from crime scene photos unless they didn't play with any. A bucket and spade outside it.
A true investigator searches every physical space in the residence.
Without applying assumptions or pre-decided theories.
It would only have taken a few minutes do a real full search.
But assumptions took hold and the search inside was incomplete, both before GNR arrived and after.
(And BTW a trivial detail - there were two buckets outside the front door).

Offline pathfinder73

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #158 on: July 23, 2015, 03:03:50 PM »
A true investigator searches every physical space in the residence.
Without applying assumptions or pre-decided theories.
It would only have taken a few minutes do a real full search.
But assumptions took hold and the search inside was incomplete, both before GNR arrived and after.
(And BTW a trivial detail - there were two buckets outside the front door).

They did search the apartment. You can't hide her under the bath in the bathroom.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #159 on: July 23, 2015, 03:20:15 PM »
They did search the apartment. You can't hide her under the bath in the bathroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2311.jpg
Since you have brought up the bath ....
Is the panel removeable? If not then how can plumbing maintainance be done?
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 03:26:16 PM by pegasus »

Offline Anna

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #160 on: July 23, 2015, 03:26:33 PM »
Yes, One can be hidden under a bath, but it would take time.


Dunlop, who lived a few hundred yards from Julie, had been in a brief relationship with her. Drunk and belligerent, he arrived at her three-bedroom terraced home near Stockton-on-Tees in the early hours of the morning demanding sex. When she refused, he murdered her and then stuffed her body behind a panel under the bath.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-406247/A-mothers-fight-justice-murdered-daughter.html#ixzz3giykx37u
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #161 on: July 23, 2015, 03:28:56 PM »
Since you have brought up the bath ....
Is the panel removeable? If not then how can plumbing maintainance be done?

why would a burglar kill and stuff a three year old inside a bath!!? honestly

Offline pegasus

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #162 on: July 23, 2015, 03:34:56 PM »
why would a burglar kill and stuff a three year old inside a bath!!? honestly
This has nothing to do with any assumption of anyone doing anything.
It is just an extreme illustration of the difference between
1. Pseudo-search by subconscious assumption (not physically searching all spaces).
2. Real search (physically and pedantically searching all spaces).
« Last Edit: July 23, 2015, 03:38:35 PM by pegasus »

Offline mercury

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #163 on: July 23, 2015, 04:07:27 PM »
This has nothing to do with any assumption of anyone doing anything.
It is just an extreme illustration of the difference between
1. Pseudo-search by subconscious assumption (not physically searching all spaces).
2. Real search (physically and pedantically searching all spaces).

so IYO the PJ did a "pseudo search" on 3/4 May of apartment 5a because they had unconscious "assumptions"?

Offline Brietta

Re: What/where should have been investigated,but was not?
« Reply #164 on: July 23, 2015, 04:11:03 PM »
This has nothing to do with any assumption of anyone doing anything.
It is just an extreme illustration of the difference between
1. Pseudo-search by subconscious assumption (not physically searching all spaces).
2. Real search (physically and pedantically searching all spaces).

Had my child gone missing in similar circumstances I would have ripped the place to shreds looking for her ... I have no doubt that was done by those directly involved ... and by those who searched dispassionately and with cooler heads.
I have no reason to believe that every inch of the apartment including the adjoining dark garden area was not searched, even the most improbable places. 
Quite simply Madeleine was not there to be found.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....