Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files

[Mr Gray]

It was because of the discrepancies that the reconsitution was needed;

The aforementioned persons were interviewed carefully and in great detail, on various occasions (see index), with the intention to collect all the relevant elements that could help the investigation to uncover the truth regarding the facts.

The analysis of the grouping of these inquiries emphasized the existence of important details which were not entirely understood and integrated, which needed to be, from our viewpoint, tested and compared together [concatenated] in the actual location.

As such, a concrete understanding of the lack of synergy of some aspects of elevated relevance should be attempted through a processed diligence via the reconstitution of the facts, which, due to a lack of collaboration of several relevant witnesses, was not able to be accomplished, in spite of all the force brought by the authorities.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

it seems a proper police force did not think a recon was necessary

[Alfred R Jones]

It was because of the discrepancies that the reconsitution was needed;

The aforementioned persons were interviewed carefully and in great detail, on various occasions (see index), with the intention to collect all the relevant elements that could help the investigation to uncover the truth regarding the facts.

The analysis of the grouping of these inquiries emphasized the existence of important details which were not entirely understood and integrated, which needed to be, from our viewpoint, tested and compared together [concatenated] in the actual location.

As such, a concrete understanding of the lack of synergy of some aspects of elevated relevance should be attempted through a processed diligence via the reconstitution of the facts, which, due to a lack of collaboration of several relevant witnesses, was not able to be accomplished, in spite of all the force brought by the authorities.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

So, because a reconstitution was not carried out the PJ were unable to cross-question Gerry about the "major" key discrepancy when he was an arguido?  Don't be daft.

[John]

it seems a proper police force did not think a recon was necessary

Leicestershire Police were fully cooperative with the Portuguese in pursuing the reconstitution.  Eight years on SY no longer feel it appropriate.

[jassi]

Leicestershire Police were fully cooperative with the Portuguese in pursuing the reconstitution.  Eight years on SY no longer feel it appropriate.

Maybe they've done a computer simulation and know exactly whats what .

[stephen25000]

it seems a proper police force did not think a recon was necessary

The PJ thought it necessary

They are and were a 'proper police force'.

The mccanns and the rest of the group did not cooperate.

[G-Unit]

So, because a reconstitution was not carried out the PJ were unable to cross-question Gerry about the "major" key discrepancy when he was an arguido?  Don't be daft.

This is my last answer to you because I don't insult people and I'm not daft enough to keep speaking to people who insult me. The PJ wouldn't have 'cross examined' Gerald Mccann about the discrepancies in his statement during a reconstitution, obviously. The discrepancies in his and other members of the group needed to be resolved. That was the purpose of the reconstitution - to discover whether their stories 'worked' on the ground.

[Alfred R Jones]

This is my last answer to you because I don't insult people and I'm not daft enough to keep speaking to people who insult me. The PJ wouldn't have 'cross examined' Gerald Mccann about the discrepancies in his statement during a reconstitution, obviously. The discrepancies in his and other members of the group needed to be resolved. That was the purpose of the reconstitution - to discover whether their stories 'worked' on the ground.

a reconstitution would not have resolved the issue of why in one statement a key is mentioned and in another the mention of the key is corrected, but it may have been resolved under careful questioning of the suspect in his arguido interview, surely it doesn't take a genius to see this is true?

[pathfinder73]

Maybe they've done a computer simulation and know exactly whats what .

They will know where the opportunities lie. Shame nothing fits so you ask yourself why? Who has lied? Tannerman was the one but the window was closed at the time of that sighting. Smithman connects to the open window but not the door? The moving door smart ass will be caught. Two witnesses find the door in the same position allegedly after it has moved twice.

[Brietta]

I think Davel has hit on a definitive cite regarding the problems which have arisen due to mistranslation of some witness statements.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.msg256351#msg256351

It stands to reason that given the circumstances of the event that although people were doing their best the hurried translations were never going to be perfect.
What a shame so many misconceptions have been allowed to arise at the time and to stand unnecessarily for over eight years. 

Hopefully the PJ will manage to get a definitive solution to the problem.


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Interesting snippet from a telegraph article for those who want to pretend there are NO inaccuracies in the translations...looks like the Portuguese police think otherwise



Portuguese detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old have admitted that they are reassessing the original witness statements to look for inaccuracies in their translation.


 
"In the early days of the investigation there were dozens of statements being given at what was a very confusing time," a police source said.

 "Obviously the police acted in good faith in their selection of translators but given all that has been said about the various contradictions in the versions of events, detectives are now re-examining the possibility that there may have been some problems," he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569143/Madeleine-McCann-Possible-translation-errors.html

[Mr Gray]

some posters should now admit they were wrong to rely so heavily on the twice translated non verbatim statements

[G-Unit]

some posters should now admit they were wrong to rely so heavily on the twice translated non verbatim statements

 

As that article was written in November 2007 there was ample time for the translations to be checked and corrected before they were released. It's encouraging news.

[slartibartfast]

I think Davel has hit on a definitive cite regarding the problems which have arisen due to mistranslation of some witness statements.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.msg256351#msg256351

It stands to reason that given the circumstances of the event that although people were doing their best the hurried translations were never going to be perfect.
What a shame so many misconceptions have been allowed to arise at the time and to stand unnecessarily for over eight years. 

Hopefully the PJ will manage to get a definitive solution to the problem.


Quote ...
Interesting snippet from a telegraph article for those who want to pretend there are NO inaccuracies in the translations...looks like the Portuguese police think otherwise



Portuguese detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old have admitted that they are reassessing the original witness statements to look for inaccuracies in their translation.


 
"In the early days of the investigation there were dozens of statements being given at what was a very confusing time," a police source said.

 "Obviously the police acted in good faith in their selection of translators but given all that has been said about the various contradictions in the versions of events, detectives are now re-examining the possibility that there may have been some problems," he said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569143/Madeleine-McCann-Possible-translation-errors.html

It may work both ways.

[Mr Gray]

 

As that article was written in November 2007 there was ample time for the translations to be checked and corrected before they were released. It's encouraging news.

the statements released are the originals signed by Drs McCann in May 2007......You have based your conclusions on statements that the PJ have themselves questioned the accuracy of...

[Mr Gray]

It may work both ways.

with the McCanns being declared not suspects it is obvious the way it has worked

[Brietta]

A further anomaly regarding amendments or notations to the files is that (for me at least) there is no indication who the author of these addenda is or when they were added.


CARTAS ROGATORIAS (FILE 5)
Pages 36 to 38
Witness statement of Paul Anthony Gordon (former holiday maker in Apartment 5A) 2008.04.24

NOTE: There is no word "tenhos". It should either be "tenho" [I have] or "temos" [we have]. Not being certain, I omitted the personal pronoun in my translation.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAUL_GORDON.htm