Author Topic: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files  (Read 52313 times)

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Offline Anna

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #225 on: July 21, 2015, 05:05:07 PM »
Are there any videos in the PJ Files?

Is this what you are looking for G?
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

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Sorry. it looks like Brietta beat me to it.
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Offline mercury

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #226 on: July 21, 2015, 06:34:37 PM »
Sigh ... I think the clue that the adulteration of a video was the object of discussion may be "Re: New VIDEO"

"Adulteration" by Internet posters who have opinions and their own interpretations of the facts rightly or wrongly and go on to write essays, blogs, post, make videos, etc, has nothng to do wth the subject of this thread. Your attempt to conjoin "errors" in the official police files as well as "errors" allegedly made by the Portuguese translators used by the police , and "errors" made by volunteer translators of the PJ files, with this ,and turn it into some conspiracy is noted.

@GU

No, there was no video included in the PJ files. The official dog video was apparently released by a journalist called D Levy.


Offline Carana

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #227 on: July 21, 2015, 07:11:51 PM »
"Adulteration" by Internet posters who have opinions and their own interpretations of the facts rightly or wrongly and go on to write essays, blogs, post, make videos, etc, has nothng to do wth the subject of this thread. Your attempt to conjoin "errors" in the official police files as well as "errors" allegedly made by the Portuguese translators used by the police , and "errors" made by volunteer translators of the PJ files, with this ,and turn it into some conspiracy is noted.

@GU

No, there was no video included in the PJ files. The official dog video was apparently released by a journalist called D Levy.

The PT transcript of the car video is in the files and there's an error in it. Grime clearly said that he wasn't going to put Eddie in the car, and the translation missed out "not" - i.e., that he WAS going to put him in. That mistake then ended up in TdeA's report.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #228 on: July 21, 2015, 07:15:16 PM »
Thank you for the links, but as I thought, no videos were released with the PJ Files, which are the subject of this thread. Anything relating to videos should be on another thread imo.

@carana. Why didn't someone say that then, instead of talking about videos? Sigh.....
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Offline mercury

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #229 on: July 21, 2015, 07:19:30 PM »
The PT transcript of the car video is in the files and there's an error in it. Grime clearly said that he wasn't going to put Eddie in the car, and the translation missed out "not" - i.e., that he WAS going to put him in. That mistake then ended up in TdeA's report.

Not exactly a relevant  response to my post,never mind though, the deflection is noted

Offline Carana

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #230 on: July 21, 2015, 07:20:20 PM »
Thank you for the links, but as I thought, no videos were released with the PJ Files, which are the subject of this thread. Anything relating to videos should be on another thread imo.

@carana. Why didn't someone say that then, instead of talking about videos? Sigh.....

The dog videos are part of the case files, but weren't released on the DVD. And what has been made available is not the full footage.

If you couldn't compare the video to the transcript, the mistake would have become fact - and actually was stated as fact in the TdeA report.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 07:34:15 PM by Carana »

Offline Brietta

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #231 on: July 21, 2015, 07:26:34 PM »
"Adulteration" by Internet posters who have opinions and their own interpretations of the facts rightly or wrongly and go on to write essays, blogs, post, make videos, etc, has nothng to do wth the subject of this thread. Your attempt to conjoin "errors" in the official police files as well as "errors" allegedly made by the Portuguese translators used by the police , and "errors" made by volunteer translators of the PJ files, with this ,and turn it into some conspiracy is noted.

@GU

No, there was no video included in the PJ files. The official dog video was apparently released by a journalist called D Levy.

If you don't know or have forgotten Duarte Levy's role in releasing the files to the internet it might be worth refreshing by taking a glance at discussion which has taken place on the forum on another occasion ...

Topic: Are the Tapas Rogatory statements as released by Duarte Levy genuine? 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3835.msg142689#msg142689

It is also worth noting that according to the stamp on the videos he has apparently appropriated copyright to them ??
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #232 on: July 21, 2015, 07:34:09 PM »
If you don't know or have forgotten Duarte Levy's role in releasing the files to the internet it might be worth refreshing by taking a glance at discussion which has taken place on the forum on another occasion ...

Topic: Are the Tapas Rogatory statements as released by Duarte Levy genuine? 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3835.msg142689#msg142689

It is also worth noting that according to the stamp on the videos he has apparently appropriated copyright to them ??

So? What is your point?
And the rogatory interviews were secured from the Liecester Police by someone NOT called D Levy.! Do you not have any criticism for the UK police officer who leaked them? We "are" going off topic let me remind though. perhaps you would like to revive the linked thread wth any problems you have? That need solving?

PS I forgot to say I seriously hope you are not a member of that particular tin hat brigade that think D Levy doctored the rogatory interviews.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 09:01:37 PM by Eleanor »

Offline G-Unit

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #233 on: July 21, 2015, 08:50:38 PM »
The PT transcript of the car video is in the files and there's an error in it. Grime clearly said that he wasn't going to put Eddie in the car, and the translation missed out "not" - i.e., that he WAS going to put him in. That mistake then ended up in TdeA's report.

do you have any links please?
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Offline Carana

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #234 on: July 21, 2015, 09:00:10 PM »
do you have any links please?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3504.msg136974#msg136974

Then you'll have to listen to the car dog video  to compare.

Offline mercury

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #235 on: July 22, 2015, 12:42:05 AM »
Bump for a reply from Briefta, ta
« Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 01:42:36 AM by mercury »

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Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #236 on: July 22, 2015, 07:21:52 AM »
If you don't know or have forgotten Duarte Levy's role in releasing the files to the internet it might be worth refreshing by taking a glance at discussion which has taken place on the forum on another occasion ...

Topic: Are the Tapas Rogatory statements as released by Duarte Levy genuine? 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3835.msg142689#msg142689

It is also worth noting that according to the stamp on the videos he has apparently appropriated copyright to them ??

Did Swan and Summers have anything to say about this?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #237 on: July 22, 2015, 07:45:00 AM »
The PT transcript of the car video is in the files and there's an error in it. Grime clearly said that he wasn't going to put Eddie in the car, and the translation missed out "not" - i.e., that he WAS going to put him in. That mistake then ended up in TdeA's report.

Oh my goodness how terrible! I wonder how I missed that? I also wonder why I never thought Eddie was put into the car? I always thought it was just Keela who checked the boot, and they both alerted to the key when it was removed from the car. I missed that translation error completely. In fact, I always wondered why Eddie wasn't put into the car.
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Offline Carana

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #238 on: July 22, 2015, 08:34:35 AM »

Oh my goodness how terrible! I wonder how I missed that? I also wonder why I never thought Eddie was put into the car? I always thought it was just Keela who checked the boot, and they both alerted to the key when it was removed from the car. I missed that translation error completely. In fact, I always wondered why Eddie wasn't put into the car.

That's the origin of numerous lurid headlines on cadaver scent in the boot and one of the most enduring myths: a simple translation error. If Almeida had watched the footage, he should have noticed that Eddie never did bark at the boot and that it was only Keela who was allowed internal access.

I presume that Grime's reasoning was that as Eddie had reacted to the door, that was reason enough to let Keela try to pinpoint any blood. Before Keela went in, the car was given the once-over by the forensic people for them to recuperate anything of interest (fibres, hairs, nail clippings, and presumably a search for body fluids). Putting Keela in after that avoided contamination and adding dog hairs.

IFAIK, no body fluids were detected as there's no mention of it in the report. The only indication that there may have been a molecular trace of blood deposited at some point was Keela's alert.

Offline Carana

Re: Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files
« Reply #239 on: July 22, 2015, 08:47:49 AM »
Here's another translation error - this time an omission. In his summary translation of the Lowe email, João Carlos forgot to translate that the 15/19 alleles were found in a sample containing 37 from 3-5 donors.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2123.20