The Carpenters - Calling out of Madelene Madeleine

[sadie]

But Sadie do you think it is possible that Mrs C may have heard someone shouting the child's name while the mother was still at the restaurant?

More likely imo is that the abductor was fearful that he or his assistant had overdosed Madeleine, and he was trying to make sure that she did not die.  There are pointers that this abduction was pre planned, so Madeleines name would be known to the abductor.

OR

That Stephen Carpenters statement about his wife being third party, meant that Chinese Whispers had interfered with fact again

OR

Caroline heard the calling after they arrived home, but misrememberd.



One of the first two is most likely IMO

[Benice]

But Sadie do you think it is possible that Mrs C may have heard someone shouting the child's name while the mother was still at the restaurant?

It was only a vague recollection so not that reliable.  However, I suppose it is feasible that if the McCann family had been watched for several days and become aware of Madeleine's name - that Mrs C could have heard the abducter calling her name.    Who knows?

[pegasus]

Assuming Mrs C heard it just before arrriving back at their apartment.
The person shouting the girl's name was within earshot of that apartment - searching outside.

[G-Unit]

Assuming Mrs C heard it just before arrriving back at their apartment.
The person shouting the girl's name was within earshot of that apartment - searching outside.

Interestingly there were at least three people within earshot; Mrs Carpenter, Raj Balu and Neil Berry (and maybe their partners/wives). I know that Berry and Balu made early statements but they're not in the files. There's no statement from Mrs Carpenter in the files either. Raj Balu mentions overhearing a 'conversation' when he was on Berry's balcony, but not anyone calling out.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Stating the very obvious... On Gerry's check he noticed the door open...NOT THE JEMMIED WINDOW, Gerry looked at his daughter and thought how beautuful she was and how lucky he was. Within a few minutes (according to JT seeing the fleeing abductor)someone jemmied a window-stole maddie then ran out the window again? without making a sound? AND again NO JEMMIED WINDOW just an open door?

 Window and shutters red herring!

[Brietta]

Stating the very obvious... On Gerry's check he noticed the door open...NOT THE JEMMIED WINDOW, Gerry looked at his daughter and thought how beautuful she was and how lucky he was. Within a few minutes (according to JT seeing the fleeing abductor)someone jemmied a window-stole maddie then ran out the window again? without making a sound? AND again NO JEMMIED WINDOW just an open door?

 Window and shutters red herring!

Oh absolutely ... one would have thought when 'staging' an abduction ... the least that could have been done was to get the story straight so that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet.

[Carana]

Assuming Mrs C heard it just before arrriving back at their apartment.
The person shouting the girl's name was within earshot of that apartment - searching outside.

Steve C was recounting something that his wife "vaguely remembered".

Possibiities:
a) Steve was confused himself about his wife's recollection
b) heard someone calling out for Madeleine at that earlier time
c) heard someone calling out some other name or simply calling out and thought it might have been been related to her
d) heard one or more people calling out for Madeleine, but actually later in the evening and recollections got jumbled

C or D seem more likely to me.

[pegasus]

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[Miss Taken Identity]

Oh absolutely ... one would have thought when 'staging' an abduction ... the least that could have been done was to get the story straight so that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet.

Indeed!  their arrogance is on display from day 1.

Perhaps you can explain why JT claims seeing the 'abductor' a few minutes after Gerry is leaving his daughter sleeping with door/shutters and window SHUT.  THEN  the windows open/shutters jemmied child missing. a few minutes with Gerry/ Jez/ Jane ALL IN THE VACINITY...

Anyone?

[pegasus]

Steve C was recounting something that his wife "vaguely remembered".

Possibiities:
a) Steve was confused himself about his wife's recollection
b) heard someone calling out for Madeleine at that earlier time
c) heard someone calling out some other name or simply calling out and thought it might have been been related to her
d) heard one or more people calling out for Madeleine, but actually later in the evening and recollections got jumbled

C or D seem more likely to me.

A and C are unlikely IMO.
B seems unlikely because if true would mean someone was searching outdoors long before the alarm.
So D is probably the most likely - she heard one of the very first searchers in the area east of 5A just after the alarm.

[Carana]

D is probably the most likely.

Yes, that's what I think as well. Where (roughly) were they staying? If not too far away, it would seem likely that various people were calling out for Madeleine and if there's no particular reason to listen to extraneous noise or are sleepy, recollections can easily get jumbled up.

[pegasus]

Yes, that's what I think as well. Where (roughly) were they staying? If not too far away, it would seem likely that various people were calling out for Madeleine and if there's no particular reason to listen to extraneous noise or are sleepy, recollections can easily get jumbled up.

Fiji Palms. Third building east from Block 5.

[sadie]

Indeed!  their arrogance is on display from day 1.

Perhaps you can explain why JT claims seeing the 'abductor' a few minutes after Gerry is leaving his daughter sleeping with door/shutters and window SHUT.  THEN  the windows open/shutters jemmied child missing. a few minutes with Gerry/ Jez/ Jane ALL IN THE VACINITY...

Anyone?

Window out of sight, out of earshot , around the corner from Gerry and Jez.

Impossible to see or to hear.

[Carana]

Fiji Palms. Third building east from Block 5.

Thanks.

[pegasus]

Thanks.

Route home from restuarant is out through the little reception building, cross road, through the carpark south of block 6, then across to the other side of the big grass area.