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Offline mercury

How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« on: July 20, 2015, 12:40:30 AM »
Anyone know the grand total? Or a rough guesstimate?
Has this extraordinary amount ever been matched  before in the history of policing?

Mind you, the media along with all involved, brokers and minions, have "created" many suspects out of virtually nothing. One  wonders who was running the whole show,  police or British media.

Very curious, very curious indeed.

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2015, 07:21:39 AM »
Anyone know the grand total? Or a rough guesstimate?
Has this extraordinary amount ever been matched  before in the history of policing?

Mind you, the media along with all involved, brokers and minions, have "created" many suspects out of virtually nothing. One  wonders who was running the whole show,  police or British media.

Very curious, very curious indeed.

None currently from the PT investigation as far as I'm aware.
In a PT investigation, arguido status is only lifted at the end of an investigation and only if you are not charged. I haven't found any provision for temporary status.

The recent ones all seem to be people the UK wanted to interview under caution. If it is true that arguido status has been lifted from one of them, then it may have been a temporary statud until the UK had eliminated them from their enquiries. The others may have also been eliminated but the leak machine has wound down.

In a major UK investigation, there can be hundreds of people interviewed under caution, and sometimes dozens of people arrested and then released.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 08:34:50 PM by Carana »

Offline mercury

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 01:12:34 PM »
OK Carana. Have you ever come across a case where "dozens have been arrested" or "hundreds questioned under caution"? in a missing child investigation? (Or any other)


Offline Brietta

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 02:11:21 PM »
OK Carana. Have you ever come across a case where "dozens have been arrested" or "hundreds questioned under caution"? in a missing child investigation? (Or any other)


People may not have been "arrested in their dozens" or "hundreds questioned under caution" as far as we know, in the Valerie Graves murder inquiry, but the police certainly pulled out all the stops in an attempt to apprehend the perpetrator.



Valerie Graves Murder Police Ask Every Man In Sleepy Sussex Village To Take DNA Test
The Huffington Post UK/PA  |  By   Louise Ridley
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Posted: 21/01/2015 12:08 GMT Updated: 21/01/2015 12:59 GMT

Police are calling on all men in a Sussex village to submit themselves for mass DNA tests in the hunt to find the killer of a grandmother.

All men over 17 in Bosham, West Sussex, have been asked to take the test to help crack the unsolved murder of Valerie Graves, who was killed with a claw hammer as she house-sat for friends last year.

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As the hunt steps up, all men who live, work or visit the Bosham area have been called on to eliminate themselves from suspicion by agreeing to provide a mouth swab and thumbprint.

**  **  **

More than 9,500 people have been interviewed by police - more than twice as many as live in Bosham which has a population of around 4,000 in the 2011 census.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/21/dna-tests-killer-valerie-graves_n_6514128.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 07:18:10 PM »
OK Carana. Have you ever come across a case where "dozens have been arrested" or "hundreds questioned under caution"? in a missing child investigation? (Or any other)

Sorry, did you specify in a missing chid case?

If so, I missed it.

If you're not fussy about which type of investigation can involve multiple arrests:

 Police arrest 97 ahead of Notting Hill Carnival
Most people detained on suspicion of possession of drugs in a series of 'pre-emptive' arrests ahead of the event later this month

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/01/police-arrest-97-notting-hill

No guns, tents or large flags: Home Secretary reveals strict Olympics rules as 97 Games-related arrests have already been made

    Alleged ticket touts, bogus hoteliers and fake websites targeted in crackdown

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091691/Almost-100-arrests-ahead-London-2012-Olympics-Home-Secretary-reveals.html

Or... here we go: the investigation into missing Melanie Road (17). The police think that they may finally be close to a breakthrough in this cold case:

Despite 90 people being arrested, nobody has ever been charged and the murder weapon has never been found.

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/Melanie-Road-background/story-21190885-detail/story.html#ixzz3f041Hq5P

More here:
http://stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=148&t=7879#p289162

« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 07:20:50 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 07:28:52 PM »
IMO, much of the fuss about being arrested / interviewed under caution is tabloid sensationalism.

Helena Machado and Felipe Santos have written some really interesting papers about the phenomenon in Portugal (even though my understanding of Portuguese is unfortunately still elementary).

Here's one:

http://www.ces.uc.pt/publicacoes/oficina/ficheiros/310.pdf

Offline mercury

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2015, 07:29:52 PM »
@Brietta, not on the same par though as all not considered suspects or persons of interest, it was a DNA led process of elimination, it has happened before as well, and I doubt all the thousands interviewed did not have their face name and address splashed over the tabloids with lurid headlines and questionable reporting

@ Carana, yes  I did specify in the OP that we are talking abut Madeleine Mcccann. the Notting Hill carnival is too paltry and disparate an example to even comment on, steady on. the Melanie Road case is interesting, obviously 90 people being arrested for it can't be right by any stretch.

PS Why are you posting Portuguese documents whch the vast majority on here do not understand? Such a waste of time.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 07:32:05 PM by mercury »

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2015, 07:36:54 PM »
OK Carana. Have you ever come across a case where "dozens have been arrested" or "hundreds questioned under caution"? in a missing child investigation? (Or any other)

There were 9 arguidos in the Cipriano case, apparently.
http://www.dn.pt/especiais/interior.aspx?content_id=1006701&especial=Caso%20Joana&seccao=SOCIEDADE&page=1


Offline Brietta

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 07:42:31 PM »
@Brietta, not on the same par though as all not considered suspects or persons of interest, it was a DNA led process of elimination, it has happened before as well, and I doubt all the thousands interviewed did not have their face name and address splashed over the tabloids with lurid headlines and questionable reporting

@ Carana, yes  I did specify in the OP that we are talking abut Madeleine Mcccann. the Notting Hill carnival is too paltry and disparate an example to even comment on, steady on. the Melanie Road case is interesting, obviously 90 people being arrested for it can't be right by any stretch.

PS Why are you posting Portuguese documents whch the vast majority on here do not understand? Such a waste of time.

I absolutely agree, although I think you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction ... the illegal release of the files onto the internet containing personal information such as passport details including photographs - names and addresses - and interview transcripts must have shocked many witnesses who gave statements to the police in good faith and secure in the knowledge their confidentiality would not be breached.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Anna

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 07:46:01 PM »
IMO, much of the fuss about being arrested / interviewed under caution is tabloid sensationalism.

Helena Machado and Felipe Santos have written some really interesting papers about the phenomenon in Portugal (even though my understanding of Portuguese is unfortunately still elementary).

Here's one:

http://www.ces.uc.pt/publicacoes/oficina/ficheiros/310.pdf

Thank you, That looks very interesting Carana. I will try and read it tomorrow. It is too long to read tonight.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline mercury

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 07:46:26 PM »
I absolutely agree, although I think you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction ... the illegal release of the files onto the internet containing personal information such as passport details including photographs - names and addresses - and interview transcripts must have shocked many witnesses who gave statements to the police in good faith and secure in the knowledge their confidentiality would not be breached.

That is a different subject.

I maintain the papers' behaviour was as despicable as you can get though. My finger is definely pointing in the right direction in this context. It involved dozens of innocent adults and chlldren. As low as you can go.

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2015, 07:53:52 PM »
@Brietta, not on the same par though as all not considered suspects or persons of interest, it was a DNA led process of elimination, it has happened before as well, and I doubt all the thousands interviewed did not have their face name and address splashed over the tabloids with lurid headlines and questionable reporting

@ Carana, yes  I did specify in the OP that we are talking abut Madeleine Mcccann. the Notting Hill carnival is too paltry and disparate an example to even comment on, steady on. the Melanie Road case is interesting, obviously 90 people being arrested for it can't be right by any stretch.

PS Why are you posting Portuguese documents whch the vast majority on here do not understand? Such a waste of time.

We're discussing a disappearance that took place in Portugal. And in Portugal, most publications are in.... Portuguese, oddly enough.

There's a translation in English if you feel like forking out $30.


Offline mercury

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2015, 07:56:07 PM »
We're discussing a disappearance that took place in Portugal. And in Portugal, most publications are in.... Portuguese, oddly enough.

There's a translation in English if you feel like forking out $30.
Well that figures, but people here DONT read Portuguese in the main hence my question of what's the purpose

Well Anna said she will have a read, so maybe she can do a précis for the majority here? (If deemed important enough)

 8)-)))

Offline Carana

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2015, 07:57:29 PM »
That is a different subject.

I maintain the papers' behaviour was as despicable as you can get though. My finger is definely pointing in the right direction in this context. It involved dozens of innocent adults and chlldren. As low as you can go.

The tabloid media have behaved disgracefully on both sides.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 08:04:42 PM by Carana »

Offline Anna

Re: How Many Suspects /Persons of interest has this case had?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2015, 08:00:56 PM »
@Brietta, not on the same par though as all not considered suspects or persons of interest, it was a DNA led process of elimination, it has happened before as well, and I doubt all the thousands interviewed did not have their face name and address splashed over the tabloids with lurid headlines and questionable reporting

@ Carana, yes  I did specify in the OP that we are talking abut Madeleine Mcccann. the Notting Hill carnival is too paltry and disparate an example to even comment on, steady on. the Melanie Road case is interesting, obviously 90 people being arrested for it can't be right by any stretch.

PS Why are you posting Portuguese documents whch the vast majority on here do not understand? Such a waste of time.
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Here you go, Mercury......Googlish, but it gives you a rough idea. You will need to use the slider to page down though.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ces.uc.pt%2Fpublicacoes%2Foficina%2Fficheiros%2F310.pdf
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato