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Offline John

Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« on: July 27, 2015, 01:02:07 PM »
The Daily Mail recently published an account by Carol Ann Lee of what happened at White House Farm on the night Nevill and June Bamber, their adopted daughter Sheila and her twin sons were all shot dead by Jeremy Bamber.

A plot which those of us who have studied the evidence in detail have known for some time, the detail of which is contained within the boards of this forum.



By Carol Ann Lee

On August 6, 1985, Jeremy Bamber worked at the family’s farm at Tolleshunt D’Arcy, Essex, from 7.30am until 9.30pm. He took several breaks, including one that evening when he found his parents, Nevill and June, and his sister, Sheila, in the kitchen having supper.

Bamber later claimed that the conversation revolved around Sheila’s treatment for schizophrenia and the future of her children – six-year-old twins Nicholas and Daniel – and whether they should be adopted. One former policeman believes Bamber instigated a discussion about the twins in order to cause friction between Sheila and her parents, who disapproved of her lifestyle – Sheila, a model, had become pregnant out of wedlock and was now divorced.

Another suggests that Bamber was so angered by Nevill and June’s idea that Sheila and the children should move into Bourtree Cottage three miles away in Goldhanger – where he had lived for a year and on which he had lavished considerable expense – that he decided to carry out his long-planned murder plot that night.

Bamber then claimed he spotted two rabbits near the potato barn and set out with a rifle to shoot them – a story regarded as spurious by most involved in the investigation. Whether he left the gun in the scullery as he said, with the magazine on the settle nearby, is also thought unlikely given that Nevill did not normally allow guns there. Certainly, the telescopic sight had been removed from the rifle and a silencer attached.

We do know that Bamber left the farmhouse for Bourtree Cottage at about 9.30pm – neighbour Dorothy Foakes heard his car speeding down the lane. By then, all was not well at the farm.

Nevill was uncharacteristically brusque with his secretary Barbara Wilson when she phoned just after 9.30pm, and neither June nor Sheila were themselves when Pamela Boutflour, June’s sister, called just before 10pm. Barbara was under the impression that she had interrupted a row.

Dorothy's husband Len was the last person to see any member of the household alive. At about 10.15pm he saw Nevill on his tractor, collecting the last of the rapeseed harvest. The house was fully secured on the ground floor that night. Two external doors had been bolted from the inside and the rear door was fastened with a mortice lock.

All ground-floor windows were fastened except the dairy window, which was protected by a metal mesh. Upstairs, the window in Nevill and June’s bedroom was slightly open at the top.

Bamber telephoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford from Bourtree Cottage at about 10pm. He sounded angry, telling her: ‘I’ve been thinking on the tractor and the crime will have to be tonight or never.’

Aware that he was talking about killing his entire family, Julie told him not to be stupid.

At the end of the 20-minute conversation, he told her she might hear from him later, although Julie ‘thought nothing of this’.

Bamber later described how, after ending the call, he had something to eat and watched TV before going to bed at about 11.30pm. None of his neighbours heard anything from him. A local man noticed a number of cars outside Bourtree Cottage at midnight, including Bamber’s, but couldn’t remember if any lights were on inside the house.

But some time that night, probably at around 11pm or later, Bamber collected his mother’s bicycle – which he’d brought home a few days earlier – and headed to the farm. Whatever he wore, he had time afterwards to get rid of his clothing and shoes.

The route along Maldon Road from Goldhanger to Tolleshunt D’Arcy took no more than 15 minutes. An approach from the front of the house was too risky; it was safer for Jeremy to dismount in the back garden, leaving the bicycle there before pulling on gloves and some sort of mask.

Using a hacksaw blade to slip the catch on the downstairs shower room window was easy. It was harder to avoid the wooden slats of the cellar entrance directly below the window outside, which would have made a loud noise if stepped on in the dead of night.

Sash windows do not open silently either, but Bamber managed to get into the house without alerting either the labrador in the garage or his mother’s dog indoors. After gaining entry, he took the kitchen phone off the hook, disabling all the farmhouse telephones, including the one on Nevill’s bedside table.

The rifle was where Jeremy had left it earlier that evening.

Climbing the stairs, he steeled himself to kill the greatest threats first: his father and his mother. A thin film of moonlight glimmered through the curtains in the master bedroom where his parents lay sleeping. He stood in the doorway, lifted the rifle and fired. The first two shots pierced June’s chest. Another shot hit her in the arm and a fourth travelled up inside her leg, lodging in her knee.

The terrible impact woke Nevill, who lurched out of bed. Bamber then turned the gun on his father, firing four shots: two bullets penetrated his forearm and shoulder, and two tore into his lip and jaw.

Bamber left the room, heading down the first flight of stairs and through the corridor to the twins’ bedroom, firing one shot into each slumbering child. With all ten cartridges expended, he made his way down to the kitchen to reload.

He managed to slot four cartridges into the magazine before his father stumbled into the room. A fierce fight for possession of the weapon then ensued: they fell against the table, knocking it into the dresser and sending crockery to the floor. The rifle struck the overhead lampshade, shattering it.

The struggle eventually came to a brutal end near the Aga.

As Nevill collapsed over a chair, Jeremy brought the gun down on his skull, then fired four shots into his head. The last trapped the empty cartridge case in the ejection port. Bamber removed the magazine and loaded it to its full capacity, then inserted it into the magazine well.

Climbing the stairs again, he cleared the jammed cartridge by working the bolt. It fell out, rolling towards the skirting board on the landing.

While father and son were fighting in the kitchen, June had managed to force herself up from the bed. The commotion had also woken Sheila, who crossed the landing to her parents’ bedroom, drowsy and confused. At the sight of her mother bleeding profusely, Sheila rushed to the other side of the room – the quickest route to the twins. June staggered around the bed after her, but before she could reach Sheila, Jeremy returned with the gun.

Sheila froze. June started towards her son, who fired three more shots into her neck, head, and finally between the eyes. Jeremy then forced Sheila down beside the bed and shot her once in the throat.

With six cartridges left in the rifle, he headed back down the corridor where he fired two further shots into Nicholas and four into Daniel, emptying the magazine.

The element of ‘overkill’ would help his story that Sheila, in the grip of psychosis, was the guilty party.

He then retraced his footsteps to the master bedroom, intending to finish setting the scene. To his shock he found his sister incapacitated but still alive. He returned to the kitchen, loading a single cartridge into the magazine. Upstairs once more, he crouched down and took aim.

The bullet went into Sheila’s brain, killing her instantly. He then placed his mother’s Bible at his sister’s side, unscrewed the silencer and positioned the rifle on her body.

After showering, he changed into new clothes from his old bedroom, pushing the others into a bag for disposal later. He placed the silencer in a box in the ‘den’ cupboard, since to dispose of it might raise questions about its whereabouts.

To account for his father’s death downstairs and the fact that he hadn’t been able to use the bedside telephone, Jeremy hid the kitchen telephone in a pile of magazines, then placed the bedroom telephone on the kitchen work surface. He dialled his own number, pressing the cradle to cut the call, and left the receiver off the hook. Clearing the area around the sink, he climbed out of the window, banging it shut, causing the lock to fall into place, before returning home on the bicycle.

Bamber called Julie just after 3am, choosing his words carefully: ‘Everything is going well, not to worry, there is something wrong at the farm.’ Then he rang Chelmsford Police Station, telling an officer: ‘You’ve got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying, “Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has the gun,” then the phone went dead. My father sounded terrified. I don’t think he was kidding.’

‘Where does your father live?’ the officer asked.

‘White House Farm, Tolleshunt D’Arcy...’

The experts consulted don’t agree on every point. Indeed, there are puzzles and inconsistencies throughout the case. It is notable, for example, that no one can satisfactorily explain burn marks found on Nevill’s back. It demonstrates there are often questions that cannot be answered – except by the killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166636/Bamber-slaughtered-family-25-bullets-told-girlfriend-s-going-years-investigation-leading-author-tell-exactly-happened-night-White-House-Farm-massacre.html#ixzz3h5SsUNQz
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 11:41:25 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
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Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 03:38:42 PM »
Much of what she wrote is simply supposition.  For instance, there is no way to know whether he used a bike or his car.  We know he planned to use a bike but don't have a way to know whether he kept to his plan or decided to use his car instead.

Some things we can know because there is sufficient evidence.  We know in general the order of the shots because the evidence helps detail such. She completely misread that evidence though.

We know that the magazine was re-loaded 2 times so 3 magazine loads fired (one of these reloads was either partial or the gun reloaded again before the magazine was empty)

There are 2 possible alternatives

Scenario A)
1) 11 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and 4 fired
3) 10 bullets loaded and fired

Scenario B)
1) 10 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and 4 fired
3) 11 bullets loaded and fired

For sure

1) consisted of 6 shots fired at June and 4 at Nevill in the master bedroom. At least 4 of the 6 shots were fired while June was in the bed.  The other 2 could have come while she was in the bed or as she was getting out of the bed. If the gun had 11 shots then the 11th shot was the shot between her eyes.  But it it seems odd for that to be the case because she first walked around the bed making it more likely that this happened later. 

2) the gun was empty as the struggle in the kitchen happened, after Nevill was knocked unconscious the killer was able to reload the gun and loaded least 4 bullets in the gun (could have loaded up to 10) then fired 4 shots into Nevill's head killing him.

3) The killer then fully reloaded the magazine and went back upstairs with 10 or 11 bullets in the weapon. If more than 4 bullets had been reloaded before shooting Nevill that means the chamber would have had 1 in it already thus with the full magazine load that adds to 11.  If June had only been shot 6 times initially then the gun had 11 bullets of which 1 was fired between June's eyes as she was on the floor to make sure she was dead, 8 were used on the boys and the last 2 on Sheila.

If he went upstairs from the kitchen with 10 bullets there is no way to know for sure whether he would have fired the bullets into Sheila first or the boys first.  If 11 then he could have shot June first.  The order depends on what the situation was. When he was going back upstairs from the kitchen unless he saw someone moving around the most logical thing to do would be to kill the boys then go make sure June was dead and finally get Sheila up and kill her.  Of course if Sheila were already moving around then he would need to target her first.  Facts that we don't have would have determined whether Sheila was killed before or after the boys.  We just know the same magazine load was used to kill Sheila and the boys after Nevill was killed in the kitchen.

She assumes that Sheila woke up and was in the master bedroom by the time Jeremy returned upstairs but that doesn't have to be the case.  Jeremy may have to have gotten her out of bed.  If she was up she could have been tending to her mother on the floor and simply ran to the other side of the bed to get away from Jeremy. The claim that going around the bed to go through the boxroom was the most direct route to the boy's room is silly. The most direct route from the hall is to go a down a few stairs and continue through the hall. The 2 hallways were separated by only a couple of stairs.

Instead of making the assumption she does because evidence and logic dictate it, she makes up what she would like to think happened.  She ignores that the shots above June's ear and to her neck were delivered in bed which we know because the neck bullet exited her body into her pillow and the blood from her head transferred to her pillowcase.  By ignoring such this gives her 2 extra shots and she says these 2 shots were used on the boys to kill them.  She claims the other shots into the boys were fired later though the evidence points to the 8 shots to the boys being fired in succession.

She also assumes a spent casing was jammed in the gun and Jeremy finally managed to eject it when he was on the stairs.  More likely is that he would have unjammed it in the kitchen.  He knows the gun is jammed but instead of unjamming it he fully reloads the magazine and walks around with the magazine in the gun as he tries to unjam it?  Just as possible if not more likely is simply that the casing stuck to the shoe of someone and was transported there by accident.

So most of her story is speculation and those details that we can tell for sure she got wrong.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 04:30:47 PM by scipio_usmc »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Anna

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2015, 03:58:13 PM »
Much of what she wrote is simply supposition.  For instance, there is no way to know whether he used a bike or his car.  We know he planned to use a bike but don't have a way to know whether he kept to his plan or decided to use his car instead.

Some things we can know because there is sufficient evidence.  We know in general the order of the shots because the evidence helps detail such. She completely misread that evidence though.

We know that the magazine was re-loaded 2 times so 3 magazine loads fired (one of these reloads was either partial or the gun reloaded again before the magazine was empty)

There are 2 possible alternatives

Scenario A)
1) 11 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and fired
3) 10 bullets loaded and fired

Scenario B)
1) 10 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and fired
3) 11 bullets loaded and fired

For sure

1) consisted of 6 shots fired at June and 4 at Nevill in the master bedroom. At least 4 of the 6 shots were fired while June was in the bed.  The other 2 could have come while she was in the bed or as she was getting out of the bed. If the gun had 11 shots then the 11th shot was the shot between her eyes.  But it it seems odd for that to be the case because she first walked around the bed making it more likely that this happened later. 

2) the gun was empty as the struggle in the kitchen happened, after Nevill was knocked unconscious the killer was able to reload the gun and loaded least 4 bullets in the gun (could have loaded up to 10) then fired 4 shots into Nevill's head killing him.

3) The killer then fully reloaded the magazine and went back upstairs with 10 or 11 bullets in the weapon. If more than 4 bullets had been reloaded before shooting Nevill that means the chamber would have had 1 in it already thus with the full magazine load that adds to 11.  If June had only been shot 6 times initially then the gun had 11 bullets of which 1 was fired between June's eyes as she was on the floor to make sure she was dead, 8 were used on the boys and the last 2 on Sheila.

If he went upstairs from the kitchen with 10 bullets there is no way to know for sure whether he would have fired the bullets into Sheila first or the boys first.  If 11 then he could have shot June first.  The order depends on what the situation was.

She assumes that Sheila woke up and was in the master bedroom by the time Jeremy returned upstairs but that doesn't have to be the case.  Jeremy may have to have gotten her out of bed.  If she was up she could have been tending to her mother on the floor and simply ran to the other side of the bed to get away from Jeremy. The claim that going around the bed to go through the boxroom was the most direct route to the boy's room is silly. The most direct route from the hall is to go a down a few stairs and continue through the hall. The 2 hallways were separated by only a couple of stairs.

Instead of making the assumption she does because evidence and logic dictate it, she makes up what she would like to think happened.  She ignores that the shots above June's ear and to her neck were delivered in bed which we know because the neck bullet exited her body into her pillow and the blood from her head transferred to her pillowcase.  By ignoring such this gives her 2 extra shots and she says these 2 shots were used on the boys to kill them.  She claims the other shots into the boys were fired later though the evidence points to the 8 shots to the boys being fired in succession.

She also assumes a spent casing was jammed in the gun and Jeremy finally managed to eject it when he was on the stairs.  More likely is that he would have unjammed it in the kitchen.  He knows the gun is jammed but instead of unjamming it he fully reloads the magazine and walks around with the magazine in the gun as he tries to unjam it?  Just as possible if not more likely is simply that the casing stuck to the shoe of someone and was transported there by accident.

So most of her story is speculation and those details that we can tell for sure she got wrong.

OK thanks.I got all that 8((()*/
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2015, 04:30:32 PM »
Much of what she wrote is simply supposition.  For instance, there is no way to know whether he used a bike or his car.  We know he planned to use a bike but don't have a way to know whether he kept to his plan or decided to use his car instead.

Some things we can know because there is sufficient evidence.  We know in general the order of the shots because the evidence helps detail such. She completely misread that evidence though.

We know that the magazine was re-loaded 2 times so 3 magazine loads fired (one of these reloads was either partial or the gun reloaded again before the magazine was empty)

There are 2 possible alternatives

Scenario A)
1) 11 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and fired
3) 10 bullets loaded and fired

Scenario B)
1) 10 bullets initially loaded and fired
2) at least 4 bullets re-loaded and fired
3) 11 bullets loaded and fired

For sure

1) consisted of 6 shots fired at June and 4 at Nevill in the master bedroom. At least 4 of the 6 shots were fired while June was in the bed.  The other 2 could have come while she was in the bed or as she was getting out of the bed. If the gun had 11 shots then the 11th shot was the shot between her eyes.  But it it seems odd for that to be the case because she first walked around the bed making it more likely that this happened later. 

2) the gun was empty as the struggle in the kitchen happened, after Nevill was knocked unconscious the killer was able to reload the gun and loaded least 4 bullets in the gun (could have loaded up to 10) then fired 4 shots into Nevill's head killing him.

3) The killer then fully reloaded the magazine and went back upstairs with 10 or 11 bullets in the weapon. If more than 4 bullets had been reloaded before shooting Nevill that means the chamber would have had 1 in it already thus with the full magazine load that adds to 11.  If June had only been shot 6 times initially then the gun had 11 bullets of which 1 was fired between June's eyes as she was on the floor to make sure she was dead, 8 were used on the boys and the last 2 on Sheila.

If he went upstairs from the kitchen with 10 bullets there is no way to know for sure whether he would have fired the bullets into Sheila first or the boys first.  If 11 then he could have shot June first.  The order depends on what the situation was.

She assumes that Sheila woke up and was in the master bedroom by the time Jeremy returned upstairs but that doesn't have to be the case.  Jeremy may have to have gotten her out of bed.  If she was up she could have been tending to her mother on the floor and simply ran to the other side of the bed to get away from Jeremy. The claim that going around the bed to go through the boxroom was the most direct route to the boy's room is silly. The most direct route from the hall is to go a down a few stairs and continue through the hall. The 2 hallways were separated by only a couple of stairs.

Instead of making the assumption she does because evidence and logic dictate it, she makes up what she would like to think happened.  She ignores that the shots above June's ear and to her neck were delivered in bed which we know because the neck bullet exited her body into her pillow and the blood from her head transferred to her pillowcase.  By ignoring such this gives her 2 extra shots and she says these 2 shots were used on the boys to kill them.  She claims the other shots into the boys were fired later though the evidence points to the 8 shots to the boys being fired in succession.

She also assumes a spent casing was jammed in the gun and Jeremy finally managed to eject it when he was on the stairs.  More likely is that he would have unjammed it in the kitchen.  He knows the gun is jammed but instead of unjamming it he fully reloads the magazine and walks around with the magazine in the gun as he tries to unjam it?  Just as possible if not more likely is simply that the casing stuck to the shoe of someone and was transported there by accident.

So most of her story is speculation and those details that we can tell for sure she got wrong.

May I suggest you read the book Scipio before you attempt a critique!

As I explained to Angelo yesterday the above is contained in an appendix (1).  It is a "possible scenario" put together by those who worked on the original investigation including Dr Vanezis and Malcolm Fletcher; not all those consulted agreed on every point!  What does this tell you  8(0(*

The book contains nothing original from the author.  She has simply brought existing info together from various sources including interviews. 

CAN I ASK PLEASE THAT IF POSTERS WISH TO COMMENT ON CAROL ANN LEE'S BOOK THEY READ IT BEFORE COMMENTING - THANK YOU.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2015, 04:39:59 PM »
May I suggest you read the book Scipio before you attempt a critique!

As I explained to Angelo yesterday the above is contained in an appendix (1).  It is a "possible scenario" put together by those who worked on the original investigation including Dr Vanezis and Malcolm Fletcher; not all those consulted agreed on every point!  What does this tell you  8(0(*

The book contains nothing original from the author.  She has simply brought existing info together from various sources including interviews. 

CAN I ASK PLEASE THAT IF POSTERS WISH TO COMMENT ON CAROL ANN LEE'S BOOK THEY READ IT BEFORE COMMENTING - THANK YOU.

If that is the case then the article is misleading.

In the meantime the scenario that matters is the one presented in court by the prosecution not one obviously wrong that was one of many explored by the police. This scenario is especially worthless for the reasons I mentioned.   

A book that would be of value is one that fully details the evidence presented at trial including summarizing all the relevant testimony, that takes into account the COLP Report evidence and findings and fully details allegations made by Jeremy over the years including those to COLP and how COLP ended up revealing them to be false.

That's the only thing that would present a worthwhile book.

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2015, 05:10:13 PM »
If that is the case then the article is misleading.

In the meantime the scenario that matters is the one presented in court by the prosecution not one obviously wrong that was one of many explored by the police. This scenario is especially worthless for the reasons I mentioned.   

A book that would be of value is one that fully details the evidence presented at trial including summarizing all the relevant testimony, that takes into account the COLP Report evidence and findings and fully details allegations made by Jeremy over the years including those to COLP and how COLP ended up revealing them to be false.

That's the only thing that would present a worthwhile book.

As I stated in a previous post the MoS 2 week serialisation of the book bears no resemblance to the contents of the book taken as a whole.  It is typical tabloid trash.

Appendix 1 contains the report to the Director of Public Prosecution compiled by the police as to how JB killed his family with a view to having him committed for trial. 

A book that would be of value is one that moves out of the dark ages and into the 21st century and is based on news tests and testimony using modern science and technology.

Why would existing experts such as Dr Vanezis, Malcolm Fletcher and Dr Ferguson want to shed new light on the case when to do so might bring into question their professionalism? 

P380:

"Watching the news on the television, Dr Ferguson was 'glad that it wasn't Sheila after all'.  But the whole thing was a tragic loss of lives"

Re the COLP report it is never a good idea to have those being investigated for wrongdoing, incompetence etc investigated effectively by colleagues  8(0(*  I am reminded of the initial police inquiry into the death of black teenager Stephen Lawrence which eventually led to a judge led inquiry.  We have a long history in this country of this sort of thing.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 05:59:28 PM by Myster »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2015, 05:59:01 PM »

A book that would be of value is one that moves out of the dark ages and into the 21st century and is based on news tests and testimony using modern science and technology.

No need for any more, now that this lag lover's letter has revealed all.  %56&
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2015, 06:03:15 PM »
.... and try to keep your reply to one sentence, Holly... PLEASE!  &%54%
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2015, 06:37:48 PM »
A book that would be of value is one that fully details the evidence presented at trial including summarizing all the relevant testimony, that takes into account the COLP Report evidence and findings and fully details allegations made by Jeremy over the years including those to COLP and how COLP ended up revealing them to be false.

The COLP report is a complete joke.  Lets take for example when DS Neil Davidson was asked whether he or others planted blood in the silencer:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=178.0;attach=455

Akin to asking a child if he/she has been in the biscuit tin  @)(++(*

Lets see a complete robust audit trail from the time Dr Vanezis handed the samples to DI Cook and DS Davidson to when they arrived at FSS. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=204.0;attach=704

I'm not suggesting DI Cook and/or DS Davidson deliberately contaminated the silencer but who else had access to the blood samples whilst they were in the SoC fridge?  I seem to recall a certain police officer was not particularly keen on JB from day 1 and is on record praying for something (evidence) to turn up  8(0(*
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2015, 06:42:38 PM »
.... and try to keep your reply to one sentence, Holly... PLEASE!  &%54%

 @)(++(*  I will try to keep to one sentence if Scipio tries to keep to one tome  8((()*/

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2015, 06:48:26 PM »

  I seem to recall a certain police officer was not particularly keen on JB from day 1 and is on record praying for something (evidence) to turn up  8(0(*
And Bejapers & Begorrah, his prayers were answered. 8((()*/
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Carol Ann Lee's account of the White House Farm murders.
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2015, 06:53:57 PM »
@)(++(*  I will try to keep to one sentence if Scipio tries to keep to one tome  8((()*/

Mmmm... that's an idea!   &%+((£   Gather all Scipio's posts together for a third volume, but I doubt my bookshelf could take the strain.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.