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stephen25000

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Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2015, 10:44:38 AM »
I don't have a problem with investigating Child Sex Abuse.  But I do have a problem with investigating Dead People.  No real conclusion can be arrived at, while costing probably millions.
And then what?  Dig him up?  Put him in prison?

Let's see some investigating of these people while they are still alive.  They can't all be dead, can they?  If there were so many of them.

I suspect a bit of mass hysteria.  Find the dead guilty and then we can all go home.  That's that problem sorted.

I said yesterday that the investigation into Heath could be a smokescreen to take attention off those still alive.

Let's see if there any arrests of those currently alive in politics, the media or elsewhere.

Offline jassi

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2015, 10:51:48 AM »
I don't have a problem with investigating Child Sex Abuse.  But I do have a problem with investigating Dead People.  No real conclusion can be arrived at, while costing probably millions.
And then what?  Dig him up?  Put him in prison?

Let's see some investigating of these people while they are still alive.  They can't all be dead, can they?  If there were so many of them.

I suspect a bit of mass hysteria.  Find the dead guilty and then we can all go home.  That's that problem sorted.

Certainly seems the attitude of the authorities - sacrifice a few dead ones and some aging 'celebrities' to the masses, while concealing those rather nearer nearer to the centre of power.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

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Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2015, 11:00:57 AM »
I said yesterday that the investigation into Heath could be a smokescreen to take attention off those still alive.

Let's see if there any arrests of those currently alive in politics, the media or elsewhere.

Oh My God.  We agree again.  We defo need our own Thread, Stephen.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2015, 11:04:50 AM »
Certainly seems the attitude of the authorities - sacrifice a few dead ones and some aging 'celebrities' to the masses, while concealing those rather nearer nearer to the centre of power.

But will any of them be exposed?  Bearing in mind that the live ones have a nasty habit of fighting back.

Offline jassi

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2015, 11:05:44 AM »
I said yesterday that the investigation into Heath could be a smokescreen to take attention off those still alive.

Let's see if there any arrests of those currently alive in politics, the media or elsewhere.

Probably not. They are having a go at Janner, but by all accounts he is gaga anyway.

As in the case of Madeleine, the police will likely do a competent investigation, but ultimately be unable to bring any prosecution.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

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Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2015, 11:20:53 AM »
Probably not. They are having a go at Janner, but by all accounts he is gaga anyway.

As in the case of Madeleine, the police will likely do a competent investigation, but ultimately be unable to bring any prosecution.

God, I have truly thought so much about this.  I have even managed to create an overall picture in my mind of the phone data and the current Arguidos, and various sexual abuse allegations, albeit not actually historic.
But if they are Arguidos then they don't have to answer question, which I wouldn't be doing if I were them.  This could be The End to actually nailing anyone.

stephen25000

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Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2015, 12:08:01 PM »
Probably not. They are having a go at Janner, but by all accounts he is gaga anyway.

As in the case of Madeleine, the police will likely do a competent investigation, but ultimately be unable to bring any prosecution.

Has Janner been actually medically diagnosed ?
Remember the case of Earnest Saunders ?

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Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2015, 12:17:26 PM »
I believe this was done when the CPS were initially looking at whether to prosecute.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline mercury

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2015, 10:48:53 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/28/lord-janner-face-trial-dpp-ruling-overturned-sexual-abuse-allegations

Janner is going to be tried

As for Ted Heath, I have read a couple newspaper reports, it seems just one person named him

Offline sadie

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2015, 11:30:17 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/28/lord-janner-face-trial-dpp-ruling-overturned-sexual-abuse-allegations

Janner is going to be tried

As for Ted Heath, I have read a couple newspaper reports, it seems just one person named him

Nah,
Seems he was known for it.... but it would be a bit tricky naming the Prime Minister, now wouldn't it?

If you dont believe me, ask stephen.   He has known about it for a long time, but of course we must consider him innocent [ I guess ... SIGH] until found guilty.

Offline mercury

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2015, 11:34:31 PM »
Nah,
Seems he was known for it.... but it would be a bit tricky naming the Prime Minister, now wouldn't it?

If you dont believe me, ask stephen.   He has known about it for a long time, but of course we must consider him innocent [ I guess ... SIGH] until found guilty.

Hes had ONE accuser

Offline sadie

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2015, 11:49:38 PM »
Hes had ONE accuser
Are you sure?

Some dreadful thing were said about him on the internet.  I will not repeat them

Offline mercury

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #87 on: August 07, 2015, 12:22:49 AM »
Are you sure?

Some dreadful thing were said about him on the internet.  I will not repeat them

This is what the papers say, one accuser of rape, his identity revealed to them through a published in the papers photo,  one other accuser, a brothel madam, who alledgedly accused/named him but then said she didnt






Offline sadie

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2015, 10:04:21 PM »
This is what the papers say, one accuser of rape, his identity revealed to them through a published in the papers photo,  one other accuser, a brothel madam, who alledgedly accused/named him but then said she didnt
That's what the recent papers said maybe.

What about all the talk when Heath was alive?

Offline mercury

Re: Is prosecuting historic sex cases a waste of public funds?
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2015, 10:22:51 PM »
That's what the recent papers said maybe.

What about all the talk when Heath was alive?

I don't know anythng about that, sorry.
Talk is cheap. Politics can be dirty. Benefit of the doubt, and all that.? Look at Cliff Richard? It has gone beyond the ridiculous sometimes.