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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2015, 08:04:08 PM »
2008

Clarence Mitchell says: "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men ... It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry."

2012

Clarence Mitchell says: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ. It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years. This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id450.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2015, 09:02:09 PM »
2008

Clarence Mitchell says: "The declarations of Mr. Castela are false. They are a perfect nonsense. He can only be mistaken when he says that at that time he transported Kate and Madeleine with three men ... It astonishes me that only now, ten months later, he talks about this. These are declarations that only cause pain to Kate and Gerry."

2012

Clarence Mitchell says: "Mr Castela did absolutely the right thing at the time by reporting his sighting to the PJ. It is clearly deeply shocking that he now tells us he has not been interviewed once by a detective in five years. This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be looked at in the investigative review now being carried out by the Metropolitan Police."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id450.html

In other words the people who were investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance and were supposed to be looking for her apparently conformed to Mr Castela's assessment of his reported sighting  and did nothing to trace this little girl and eliminate her from the inquiry.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2015, 10:29:32 PM »
I have always been slightly bemused by the apparent horror generated by possible sightings of Madeleine



There is no "horror" (unless you can cite any)  just analysis of facts. As you must know there has been a deluge of sightings, it is preposterous to think they could all be true, so you have to try and sort the wheat from the chaffe

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2015, 10:43:12 PM »
In other words the people who were investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance and were supposed to be looking for her apparently conformed to Mr Castela's assessment of his reported sighting  and did nothing to trace this little girl and eliminate her from the inquiry.

Did you not read Pathfinder's link?

- The sighting was followed up by police according to PT newspapers and discarded
- The story was made problematic by "someone",  identity unknown, who changed the date of the sighting four years later

 &%+((£

I suggest you read the link for all the reportage

Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2015, 01:40:06 AM »
Did you not read Pathfinder's link?

- The sighting was followed up by police according to PT newspapers and discarded
- The story was made problematic by "someone",  identity unknown, who changed the date of the sighting four years later

 &%+((£

I suggest you read the link for all the reportage

                          As a matter of fact I did follow the link ... hence my post.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2015, 09:45:06 AM »
Incedentally , years ago there was much talk about this Mr Castela being related to an officer at Portimao / Faro PJ.


Mr Castelos full name, which is never used these days is Antonio Castela CARDOSA
There were suggestions that this taxi driver was related to Inspector António Cardoso.
  Father of?


This Inspector Cardosa has a criminal conviction now.  He was accused of the crime of forgery of a document in the Cipriano Torture case.   Amaral was found guilty of Perjury in that case.

Inspector Antonio Cardosa  was sentenced to two years and three months, suspended.sentence.


Antonio and Cardosa are both surnames and I am told by a PT friend that the PT have a custom of using family surnames for the first name of their children.     Both men have both names Antonio and Cardosa, so there is likely a strong bloodline link.   
Because of this name bloodline link and suggestions on the internet, I always wondered if the taxi-drivers sighting was a red herring.   Red Herrings were everywhere in early days of the case.



I have absolutely no idea if the two men are closely related ... anyone know?

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2015, 08:25:34 PM »
                          As a matter of fact I did follow the link ... hence my post.

Which I replied to, and which remained unanswered.


Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2015, 08:55:18 PM »
There are too many things that can easily be established /investigated without intrusive tests

Starting with the most obvious, the missing chld's parents having a strong belief the child is or could be theirs

Birth certificates, birth records, gospital records, dental records, medical records, marks and features, (matching ir not matching)  school records, photographs, and so on

Interviewing family and friends, childminders, and so on, both adults and children who have known them for years

Any piece of evidence basically before 2007 which shows the child is not the missing child

If then the authorities have any reason to think after all that that something is amiss then they can ask for the intrusive dna test...innocent families are not criminals!

At least one family are recorded in the files as having been eliminated from the inquiry in exactly the manner you have detailed.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2015, 09:43:52 PM »
At least one family are recorded in the files as having been eliminated from the inquiry in exactly the manner you have detailed.

Id be interested in which one.

Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2015, 10:18:23 PM »
Id be interested in which one.


Happy to oblige ...


**Snip
At this address at about 13.00 KZ, a Ukrainian citizen with temporary residence permit no. +++, mobile n+++ the wife of the aforementioned accompanied by her baby son DK was contacted by myself and my colleague Milton Trigo. She identified her husband as being the owner of vehicle with NIF nº 234700025, her husband, together with a colleague from work, on Monday 21-05-2007 at about 15.00 left for the Ukraine for some time, also taking with them her daughter aged 4, IK, who like her son was born in Portugal where they have lived for the past 6 years. Her husband and daughter are staying at the following address *******, Ukriane, telephone number *****.

Personal identification documents for the husband and daughter wee not presented as they had them with them but other proof of their names was presented. Recent photos were shown, of April this year and from before with their daughter in Leca where they live. Physical similarities were noted with the missing girl Madeleine McCann, although (the Ukrainian girl) was bigger and with a rounder face.

Having previously spoken to the neighbours it was established that the girl had left with the father and a colleague on Monday for the Ukraine. It was observed that having taking this girl on such a long journey was justified that she did not stay with the small boy (which would have been) a burden for the mother.

The description of the facts denounced was explained in this way. There was no doubt that the girl was the daughter of both, known by the neighbours and having lived at the address for a long time.

By the woman's admission, without mentioning the case of Madeleine McCann further, as she was now being heard by the police and regarding any doubts concerning the motive, she says that she had already observed - as had her husband - that her daughter could be confused with Madeleine because of the physical similarities and age.

For your information.

Signed

The Inspector

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2015, 10:30:56 PM »
Excellent, thanks Brietta, but goes to show valuable information (like car number plates eg)  can help. If police have nothing to go on  they can't do much.Vis a vis the Marie  Oillie sighting e.g.

Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2015, 09:57:47 AM »
Excellent, thanks Brietta, but goes to show valuable information (like car number plates eg)  can help. If police have nothing to go on  they can't do much.Vis a vis the Marie  Oillie sighting e.g.

I'm not sure how excellent it actually was.  I think I would have been slightly more interested in a little girl who according to her parents, bore an amazing resemblance to the missing child I was looking for and who had been taken over International borders.

In particular in relation to the manner in which they had called themselves to the attention of Mr and Mrs McCluskey.

Worth a closer look I would have thought.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2015, 09:07:48 PM »
I'm not sure how excellent it actually was.  I think I would have been slightly more interested in a little girl who according to her parents, bore an amazing resemblance to the missing child I was looking for and who had been taken over International borders.

In particular in relation to the manner in which they had called themselves to the attention of Mr and Mrs McCluskey.

Worth a closer look I would have thought.

The police were satisfied. It is not unusual for families to cross borders,  even if they have a blonde toddler! It happens every day. Maybe the PJ were remiss in NOT asking for a dna test!

"rolly eyes"

Offline Brietta

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2015, 09:30:01 PM »
The police were satisfied. It is not unusual for families to cross borders,  even if they have a blonde toddler! It happens every day. Maybe the PJ were remiss in NOT asking for a dna test!

"rolly eyes"


Indeed ... and sometimes families even try to take little toddlers who are not their family member across borders particularly if they happen to have a suitable passport in their possession.   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6123.msg225598#msg225598

Maybe the PJ were remiss ... and who knows, someday we may find out just how much.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Claimed sightings of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2015, 09:39:43 PM »

Indeed ... and sometimes families even try to take little toddlers who are not their family member across borders particularly if they happen to have a suitable passport in their possession.   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6123.msg225598#msg225598

Maybe the PJ were remiss ... and who knows, someday we may find out just how much.

Not a very good example...family related kidnappings? Reminds me of the "children being found years later" which were stolen from hospital by another family member therefore there is hope! Honestly.

As for the PJ, they were inundated with hundreds of "sightings" from all over the world...do you seriously think they had the capacity to personally investigate every single one to the nth degree? Especially as most of them had nothing much to go on... Yea, we shall see. Perhaps you can cite an example where the PJ did not follow up what they could in relation to any relevant "sighting"