Smithman's route from apartment 5a to the beach according to Pathfinder.

[pathfinder73]

Smithman's route from apartment 5a to the beach could start at the lane/Block 4 car park to outside perimeter of the wasteland (probably hidden in bushes). Later move - ran alone to hiding place and then seen by the Smiths. Smithman knew the dark deserted rocky beach would be a good hiding place so this whole rocky area needs to be checked by cadaver dogs.




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[pegasus]

@pathfinder so through garden gate, right, right into alley, right into other alley between 5 and 4, left up steps into 4 carpark, out main entrance of 4 carpark, left, cross over Rua 1 Maio into Rua Escola.
What time does this slot in the timeline in your theory relative to chat?
Wouldn't the front door make more sense?

[pathfinder73]

@pathfinder so through garden gate, right, right into alley, right into other alley between 5 and 4, left up steps into 4 carpark, out main entrance of 4 carpark, left, cross over Rua 1 Maio into Rua Escola.
What time does this slot in the timeline in your theory relative to chat?
Wouldn't the front door make more sense?

The lane and Block 4 car park is a risk but it's a safer darker route than being on the lit up road side and being seen by eye witnesses in cars or crechemen  Patio side is good to see if coast is clear. I think before the chat.

[sadie]

Lane/Block 4 car park to outside perimeter of the wasteland (probably hidden in bushes). Later move - ran alone to hiding place and then seen by the Smiths. Smithman knew the dark deserted rocky beach would be a good hiding place so this whole rocky area needs to be checked by cadaver dogs.

Where do you think this rocky beach is PFinder?   

To the west or the east of the church?

[pegasus]

The lane and Block 4 car park is a risk but it's a safer darker route than being on the lit up road side and being seen by eye witnesses in cars or crechemen  Patio side is good to see if coast is clear. I think before the chat.

In your theory wouldn't it be safer and quicker to peek out patio side and if coast clear go out front door?
Then through 5 carpark and 4 carpark. Leaving only a very short section along road.

[pathfinder73]

In your theory wouldn't it be safer and quicker to peek out patio side and if coast clear go out front door?
Then through 5 carpark and 4 carpark. Leaving only a very short section along road.

The lane was a darker and less used route at night. Owners enter and leave their apartment on the front side so it's a riskier exit and you follow the evidence.

[pathfinder73]

Where do you think this rocky beach is PFinder?   

To the west or the east of the church?

That area is a direct walk from the church.  The rocky beach behind search areas 2 and 3.

[sadie]

That area is a direct walk from the church.  The rocky beach behind search areas 2 and 3.

Thanks PFinder.

The image above is upside down to a traditional map.

Search areas 2 and 3 are to the east of the church


Firstly,
I would comment that I rather think that the terrain to the rear of search area 3 and the church is very steep, but I am not sure.  Perhap Shining could confirm?

As one walks left (which is actually east) the ground drops away and the slopes become less difficult .... but look at the rough terrain carrying a child !


So on the slope basis alone, I am inclined to reject the area near to the church and the Fortezela and only consider the unlikely rough area behind search area 2.


Secondly
look at the distances to walk by the round-about Rua D'Escola (Smiths ) route.  It must be half as far again to the only area that could be clambered over [possibly but unlikely] by a man carrying a child.   There are alleyways that would take a man in a much more hidden way down to this area.  All the alleyways around there are very quiet and dark 


Thirdly,
To reach either area behind either of [south of] the two search areas, Smithman would have had to pass by various bars and restaurants and the ATM machine.  He would have had to walk right thru the middle of town.  I dont think that Smithman would have done that.


If the man were going to that rocky foreshore, I think he would have taken the shortest and least overlooked route ..... and that would not have taken him by The Smiths.   He wouldn't have gone thru town.

Also if you were right, he was short of time, therefore as distance = time, he would have taken the far shorter route 


No way, imo, would he have gone the longer route.
Soz, PFinder.


With thanks to Shining in previous posts for outlining all the occupied places that he would have had to go past if he took the Smithman route to those eastern shores.  Sorry, I cant remember them all, but they were numerous.

[pathfinder73]

You would use the routes you know. The steps lead you to the bars. You walk past that old derelict house opposite the church and straight to the rocks. Chaplins in behind the church a fair distance from the road and you're hidden behind hedge/bushes.

[ShiningInLuz]

Thanks PFinder.

The image above is upside down to a traditional map.

Search areas 2 and 3 are to the east of the church


Firstly,
I would comment that I rather think that the terrain to the rear of search area 3 and the church is very steep, but I am not sure.  Perhap Shining could confirm?

As one walks left (which is actually east) the ground drops away and the slopes become less difficult .... but look at the rough terrain carrying a child !


So on the slope basis alone, I am inclined to reject the area near to the church and the Fortezela and only consider the unlikely rough area behind search area 2.


Secondly
look at the distances to walk by the round-about Rua D'Escola (Smiths ) route.  It must be half as far again to the only area that could be clambered over [possibly but unlikely] by a man carrying a child.   There are alleyways that would take a man in a much more hidden way down to this area.  All the alleyways around there are very quiet and dark 


Thirdly,
To reach either area behind either of [south of] the two search areas, Smithman would have had to pass by various bars and restaurants and the ATM machine.  He would have had to walk right thru the middle of town.  I dont think that Smithman would have done that.


If the man were going to that rocky foreshore, I think he would have taken the shortest and least overlooked route ..... and that would not have taken him by The Smiths.   He wouldn't have gone thru town.

Also if you were right, he was short of time, therefore as distance = time, he would have taken the far shorter route 


No way, imo, would he have gone the longer route.
Soz, PFinder.


With thanks to Shining in previous posts for outlining all the occupied places that he would have had to go past if he took the Smithman route to those eastern shores.  Sorry, I cant remember them all, but they were numerous.

The rocks to the immediate south of the church are not steep.  They are gently sloping.  To the south (west) of the Fortaleza, there is a 'cliff'.  OK, abrupt drop that no-one would climb up or down.

To the east of the church, the rocks DO become steep.  However, the photo posted earlier in the thread is definitely south of the church and probably east of the church.

My better half has just left me for 3 weeks in Inglaterra with family.  This is a good time to get your photo requests in, folks.

I feel a stroll coming on.

[sadie]

The rocks to the immediate south of the church are not steep.  They are gently sloping.  To the south (west) of the Fortaleza, there is a 'cliff'.  OK, abrupt drop that no-one would climb up or down.

To the east of the church, the rocks DO become steep.  However, the photo posted earlier in the thread is definitely south of the church and probably east of the church.

My better half has just left me for 3 weeks in Inglaterra with family.  This is a good time to get your photo requests in, folks.

I feel a stroll coming on.

Thankyou for you help Shining. 
The photo posted earlier is definitely quite well east of the church.  You can see the flags and the ?shelters which show on G Earth.

Very rough ground to be carrying a child in the dark.

[pathfinder73]

The rocks to the immediate south of the church are not steep.  They are gently sloping.  To the south (west) of the Fortaleza, there is a 'cliff'.  OK, abrupt drop that no-one would climb up or down.

To the east of the church, the rocks DO become steep.  However, the photo posted earlier in the thread is definitely south of the church and probably east of the church.

My better half has just left me for 3 weeks in Inglaterra with family.  This is a good time to get your photo requests in, folks.

I feel a stroll coming on.

That whole rocky area please and sewer openings. Any voids and spaces underneath rocks are good hiding places. Can't see from GE so close-up photos please. Also if possible - bushes around the outside perimeter of the wasteland. Thanks.

[Alfred R Jones]

That whole rocky area please and sewer openings. Any voids and spaces underneath rocks are good hiding places. Can't see from GE so close-up photos please. Also if possible - bushes around the outside perimeter of the wasteland. Thanks.

Have you been on that beach?

[pathfinder73]

Have you been on that beach?

No never been there.

[Alfred R Jones]

No never been there.

Then how do you know about all these holes suitable for hiding bodies?  IMO that photo makes it look like a not very good place for hiding bodies, but if someone who has actually been there tells me that it is, then fair enough.