Smithman's route from apartment 5a to the beach according to Pathfinder.

[Brietta]

The Amaral theory has Smithman walking straight past Pedras Brancas.
BTW all theories which involve openly carrying a visible child through the streets are likely to be incorrect IMO.
Smithman certainly existed but he was IMO probably an innocent father with child.

      Perhaps and perhaps he is the innocent father who still had the PJs in question years after the event.

[pegasus]

I have a working assumption that Smithman is entirely innocent of anything other than carrying his child home.

The problem with my theorem is that I have to explain the pyjamas.

My question about pyjamas was actually to you, not to Pathfinder.

So, Pegasus, why in your theorem was the child in pyjamas?  If the man was parking north of the Smithman sighting, then headed south to get home, why was the child in pyjamas?  (Please note, I think you have advantage here.)

Why was the girl (the irish family saw) in pyjamas?
Yes a very good question, thankyou.
I had imagined a father driving home from some trip with a daughter, and parking car/van a little way from home (due to no parking on own street), then walking from car/van to home.
But you are right, it is likely in that scenario the child would not be in pyjamas.
Hmm.

[ShiningInLuz]

Why was the girl (the irish family saw) in pyjamas?
Yes a very good question, thankyou.
I had imagined a father driving home from some trip with a daughter, and parking car/van a little way from home (due to no parking on own street), then walking from car/van to home.
But you are right, it is likely in that scenario the child would not be in pyjamas.
Hmm.

My working theorem is that he just came from a friend a little north of Smithman to home a little south of Smithman.  I then have the problem of explaining the pyjamas.  Where were her clothes_

If however your bloke simply took her out somewhere for the evening in a car, then clothed, but she went to sleep in pyjamas, then perhaps her clothes were simply in the back of the car, to be picked up next morning.

Still not convinced by the parking idea, but it does have the edge over my theory wrt pyjamas. 

[pegasus]

Well for what it is worth, I think that Madeleine was taken into the staff apartments just up the road from the Smiths sightings.   A scream was heard coming from that direction according to someone on the 3A's

I think that she was half frozen and they put another youngsters top on her over the short sleeved one to keep her warm.  She was a valuable commodity if I am correct with my theory.


But I could be wrong.  Do you wonder if you could be wrong too?

Absolutely Sadie, until I know the solution, every individual is assumed innocent.
Re the white and blue building there are 3 operations I know of.
1. That weekend at night PJ searched probably a number of apartments there reportedly due to an overheard cry.
2. Early the next week PJ recieves an anonymous call re an overheard conversation and PJ and several Brit police checked an apartment.
3. PJ checked same apartment, and probably other apartments there, a few weeks later.
Nothing found on any of those 3 operations.
 

[pegasus]

My working theorem is that he just came from a friend a little north of Smithman to home a little south of Smithman.  I then have the problem of explaining the pyjamas.  Where were her clothes_

If however your bloke simply took her out somewhere for the evening in a car, then clothed, but she went to sleep in pyjamas, then perhaps her clothes were simply in the back of the car, to be picked up next morning.

Still not convinced by the parking idea, but it does have the edge over my theory wrt pyjamas.

Returning from a visit just north of irish sighting, or returning by car from a distant visit, why was the girl wearing pyjamas? A good question. If a child falls asleep on a visit, it is in day clothes.
All I can think is, do the 3 irish statements say definitely pyjamas?
Also, one witness (no statement) said barefoot, so where are her shoes?
 

[Admin]

Adimn / John

Why have the photos vanished from this post quotation?  This means that we cant respond properly referring to the photos. 

Please may we have them back in the quotations .... or any technical responses are ineffective. 

Thanks

sadie x

When you include a quote in a post, attachments don't show.

[Admin]

Why was the girl (the irish family saw) in pyjamas?
Yes a very good question, thankyou.
I had imagined a father driving home from some trip with a daughter, and parking car/van a little way from home (due to no parking on own street), then walking from car/van to home.
But you are right, it is likely in that scenario the child would not be in pyjamas.
Hmm.

Very possibly she was put in pygamas and taken to a neighours, possibly a grandparent or a babysitters, earlier that evening.  What the Smiths might have observed was the father returning with his sleeping daughter.

These things occur often in Spain and Portugal where short distances are involved.

[sadie]

When you include a quote in a post, attachments don't show.

How sad.   Images used to . 

Can that be changed please then we can respond in a satifactory manner to the post.  Or if the "attachment" doesn't show in quotes, can only regular images be used?



Thank you for coming back to me.

[pegasus]

Very possibly she was put in pygamas and taken to a neighours, possibly a grandparent or a babysitters, earlier that evening.  What the Smiths might have observed was the father returning with his sleeping daughter.

These things occur often in Spain and Portugal where short distances are involved.

Yes that seems to be a good scenario which may explain the Smith sighting.
Now to explain why (reportedly) the man did not respond when spoken to.
Could the answer to this simply be that he does not speak the foreign language (English) he was addressed in.

[mercury]

The Daily Mail (cough) reported that Mrs Smith whilst passing asked him if the child was asleep? Why would anyone ask a passing stranger if their kid was asleep or not? The article was trying to convey the man was "rude" by ignoring them, ergo, a possible abductor


Irishman provides dramatic new clues, approx 17th article down on the page, Daily Mail paper edition


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

Note also how in at least four respects the "report" contradicts the actual police statements

 

[pegasus]

" Opposite the junction is an empty villa with a large garden. The wooden door leading to the garden is open.
'It was open at the time and the villa is still empty,' Mr Amaral said. 'My officers spent a lot of time here'. "
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

To get into this building or its gardens, after passing the young witness A, Smithman could either double back a few metres and go in the little front gate Amaral is talking about, or he could go a few metres down the stepped lane and immediately turn right into the side door or the side garden gate. This is the soonest place he can disappear after passing A.

[ShiningInLuz]

Where else might Smithman have vanished to?

I want to thank Shining and Carana for doing their best to help me repost Shinings small photos, but I am totally unable in, either their small size or their enlargeed size .... and they refuse to copy in quotes.  Usually I have no problems reposting photos already on forum.

After some searching, I have found this image which is almost the same as the image that Shining posted that I wanted, so will use that.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/smith1.jpg


Beyond the people on the steps is Rua 25 Abril where Aoife stood, and beyond that Rua d'Escola which Smithman walked down.   We do not know for certain if he went west towards the Church, or carried on down these steps.  most of us favour going down the steps, I think, but we cant be sure.

Looking at that image, you will see a white tubular gate roughly half way down the steps.  It is on a kind of landing.

That metal gate has interested me.  If you look hard at an enlarged GE you will see that behind the buildings there is a hidden "walkway" to the right (east)
 
 
What a wonderful place to suddenly vanish on that "landing" within the steps.  The landing is almost out of sight of everywhere, and once thru that gate, unless I am mistaken, no-one could see Smithman..

Beyond the gate, there appears to be a double string of narrow back yards, running Eastwards.  Maybe where dustbins are kept?
 
They appear to service the back of the S.Eastern properties on R 25 Abril and the back of the properties on the Northern side of R de Calhete including at least one derelict property.  Second along, I thiunk.
 
Look on G E if you dont believe.
 
 
Again, it is quite possible that a tunnel from the little beach could have surfaced into one of these back yards, or one of the adjoining premises.   Dunno, but it should considered, IMO.


What do you think Pegasus, Anna, Shining, Brietta and the other slueths on here?    Come in misty and Vixte if you are about 

I had a very quick squiz at this a little earlier this evening.

First the metal tubular gate.  It was open so I stuck my head in.  It leads east, just for a few yards.  At the end, on the south side, there is a door.  It looks like someone's front door, rather than a communal access door.  In other words, this looks like the way one gets into the building behind Fernando's.

There was no sign of an alleyway.  We certainly don't do individual rubbish bins a la UK style.  You take your rubbish to a communal bin.

I was a bit hurried this evening.  I have been promising to take my grand-daughter out for a particular meal in Luz for a couple of weeks, and obstacles have cropped up everywhere.  So I was mainly focussed on her.

I'll go back and have a more detailed look, after the tourist trade settles down a bit. 

[pegasus]

Also, in this photo, on left, level with where witnesses P A and M are, is another gate, into a garden.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/smith1.jpg

[pegasus]

How late do Fernandos, and Dolphin, stay open?

[ShiningInLuz]

Also, in this photo, on left, level with where witnesses P A and M are, is another gate, into a garden.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/smith1.jpg

Might be.  Don't think so, but I've been wrong before.  A re-check is needed.