Smithman's route from apartment 5a to the beach according to Pathfinder.

[pegasus]

Just off the top of my head so may be wrong.

Didn't the Smiths make their initial statement to An Garda Síochána the day after Murat was constituted arguido approximately a fortnight after the third.
Their statements of the 26th were on their return to Portugal in order to make them in person and reconstitute the scene.

Yes it was about two weeks later when MS phoned PJ, and PJ requested he make a statement to Garda. (It's a bit ambiguous whether this is two weeks after 3 May, or 2 weeks after 9 May).
BTW not meaning to divert people but another interesting date is: when did this fact (that the irish family had spoken to police) first become known to people other than the police and witnesses? It was 6th June 2007.

[Heriberto Janosch]

As i have said think the abductor went down by the stair ("escandinhas") and turn right in Rua das Salgadeiras. I think the abductor, knowing well PdL, and walking with Madeleine in arms, reached the zone of Rua da Calheta in yellow in the Google picture.

[pegasus]

As i have said think the abductor went down by the stair ("escandinhas") and turn right in Rua das Salgadeiras. I think the abductor, knowing well PdL, and walking with Madeleine in arms, reached the zone of Rua da Calheta in yellow in the Google picture.

right on Rua Salg, left at end along Fontainhas, takes you straight to a shore access, and a circular outlet is exactly there. But there are other places before that.

[ShiningInLuz]

Just off the top of my head so may be wrong.

Didn't the Smiths make their initial statement to An Garda Síochána the day after Murat was constituted arguido approximately a fortnight after the third.
Their statements of the 26th were on their return to Portugal in order to make them in person and reconstitute the scene.

The answer to this is I don't know.

What I'm looking for is when the general public knew about the meeting and the description of Smithman.  In brief, there was no-one suspicious to dob in before that.  Tannerman was going the other way, so why make a connection?

I see Pegasus has posted this was 6 June.  Thanks you Pegasus.  So to the general public, Smithman did not enter consciousness for a month.

[pegasus]

The answer to this is I don't know.

What I'm looking for is when the general public knew about the meeting and the description of Smithman.  In brief, there was no-one suspicious to dob in before that.  Tannerman was going the other way, so why make a connection?

I see Pegasus has posted this was 6 June.  Thanks you Pegasus.  So to the general public, Smithman did not enter consciousness for a month.

Yes the 6th June, however it was in an obscure regional Irish paper, so of course hundreds of miles east one wouldn't have known about it (unless one happened to have some kind of special remote-newspaper-reading ability).

[Heriberto Janosch]

And you could reach West zone of Rua da Calheta (if you know the location) crossing the SY searched area of 2014. It was easy following the route in the map. Did you remember a press news of a woman seeing a man with a child entering that zone?   

[sadie]

IMO it is likely the outdoor tables at calheta cafe would still be out at 10pm.
It wasn't that cold - for example at 10pm there were people who chose to be eating in the outdoor area of Tapas restaurant, and others tourists who chose to be eating outside on their balcony.

Also the lower part of stepped lane is visible from inside Dolphin.

Are you sure that any part of the stepped lane would be visible from the Dolphin Shining, cos looking on GE, unless I am mistaken,  it doesn't have any windows on its northern side

And I think that the angle is too acute for anyone in the Dolphin, on its western soz, eastern face, to see up that stepped Lane with the thickness of window frames in the way .  There also appears to be a tree is the way, altho I take you point about that it might have been smaller in 2007.


I suppose that i could check that on GE in 2007.  One GE, in 2007, is hopeless, the other on the 22nd IIRC is very clear.

[sadie]

And you could reach West zone of Rua da Calheta (if you know the location) crossing the SY searched area of 2014. It was easy following the route in the map. Did you remember a press news of a woman seeing a man with a child entering that zone?

Good to see you back, Heri .... and to have your ideas too. 

[pegasus]

And you could reach West zone of Rua da Calheta (if you know the location) crossing the SY searched area of 2014. It was easy following the route in the map. Did you remember a press news of a woman seeing a man with a child entering that zone?

The man she saw walking towards the SY wasteland area carrying a child, was reportedly (newspaper) talking native english on his mobile phone when he passed the witness.

[ShiningInLuz]

Are you sure that any part of the stepped lane qwould be visible from the Dolphin Shining, cos looking on GE, unless I am mistaken,  it doesn't have any windows on its northern side

And I think that the angle is too acute for anyone in the Dolphin, on its western face, to see up that steppped Lane with the thidkness of window frames in the way .  There also appears to be a tree is the way, altho I take you point about that it might have been smaller in 2007.


I suppose that i could check that on GE in 2007.  One GE in 2007 is hopeless, the other on the 22nd IIRC is very clear.

Pegasus was asking about the southern part of the street of little steps.  That bit goes all the way down to Calheta and is on the east side of the Dolphin, where its front door is.

The north side of the Dolphin is on Salgeidas, and seems to be used for storage.

Time to dig out more pics.

[Heriberto Janosch]

Pegasus, i can not find the link to the press news. Could you provided it? And a question: have any of you asked yourselves why SY searched the area for the small hill?

[pegasus]

Pegasus, i can not find the link to the press news. Could you provided it? And a question: have any of you asked yourselves why SY searched the area for the small hill?

The press report of a female brit tourist witnessing a man talking english on phone while carrying child is here but the text is not www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/telefonemas-tramam-raptores-de-maddie
But here is a translation http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/phone-calls-frame-maddie-kidnappers.html
The report suggests IMO that the sighting by this woman was part of the evidence submitted to a portuguese judge to justify a the issuing of the search warrant for this wasteland area

[sadie]

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[Heriberto Janosch]

Thanks Pegasus. Well, enough for me. The case seems to be trapped between those who are entitled to investigate but not too much interested in solving the case (PJ/PGR) and those who are interested in solving the case but are not entitled to investigate (SY and other people).

[ShiningInLuz]

All photos dated 14 Aug 2015 around 8:15pm.  All photos as per how good or how bad I took them at the time.  No retouching.

1414 Plaza from Dolphin east to Fernando's, Look, and Kelly's.  A hot August night, tables out for al fresco.  I think I can seen people outside Kelly's, but Kelly's does not serve food.

1415 Same spot to south of the street of little steps.  Dolphin (entrance) on the right.  Please note which way the diners beside the window are facing.  PS That's the dodgy phone calls box on the left.

1416 A family coming down the street of little steps.  Dolphin to the left.  Fernando's to the right.  Woman in somewhat skimpy white outfit coming out the front door of Fernando's.
The big screen TV can be seen through the window.

1417 Heaving with cars.  Heaving with people.  It definitely looks like people outside Kelly's.  That happens to be where they smoke nowadays, but it also happens to get volcano hot in Kelly's if there is a crowd in.

1418  This is at the very south end of the street of little steps.  It's Rua Calheta.  The Dolphin is to the left.  Fernando's is to the right.  Line of vision shows an adult can see from the very bottom right up into Primary School Street.


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